"Elitism" vs "Casualism"

[Vahlnir]

It might not have been when that statement was made years ago, but it most defiantly is now.
Besides, the game itself directly encourages healers to be DPSing through both the Hall of the Novice and the CNJ quests.

We absolutely should expect healers to DPS. It's not fair to the party that one role gets to spend upwards of 80% of the dungeon doing nothing because heals aren't needed. They're nothing but a leech at that point. If we don't make it clear they should be DPSing as a community they'll never feel the need to become comfortable with doing so in the first place, in which case they'll never DPS and be little more than a drag on the party.

Eh, I never expect a healer to dps. Is it nice when they do though? Yeah, but only if they can keep me alive too. lol If it's between keeping me and the rest of the party alive or dpsing, and they can't do both, I prefer that the healer in question simply doesn't dps. I've seen healers heal when they probably could dps since they are basically just sitting on their hands, and I have seen the other side of the spectrum where a healer will dps too much and let everyone die. I think some people just have trouble balancing their healing priorities so they opt for not doing one or the other.

[LolitaBansheeMeru]

I hate both terms to be honest and I really hate that they ever became a label... whatever happan to people just gaming .. period

[JohnSpawnVFX]

So glad you decided you know the game better than Yoshi P. Here is his answer
A.) First of all, we do not expect healers to contribute to DPS. However we know a lot of the cutting edge players enjoy this aspect about the job and that those progressing in the raids early on use it help clear the fights. We decided to make it so that the idea was more approachable and less punishing so that if a player wants to try it, they aren’t sacrificing all of their healing capabilities to do so like they were with the old Cleric Stance. We didn’t like seeing healers doing entire dungeons in Cleric Stance, especially if they forget to switch back and heal!

That being said, and I want you to really reinforce this to your viewers, I firmly believe it shouldn’t be mandatory and we do NOT have the expectation of them to DPS.

Hall of the Novice says healers should DPS during healing downtime.

[Nestama]

I hate both terms to be honest and I really hate that they ever became a label... whatever happan to people just gaming .. period

Unfortunately, some peoples idea of gaming is having three, seven, twenty-three players carry them while they watch Netflix or something.

[LolitaBansheeMeru]

Unfortunately, some peoples idea of gaming is having three, seven, twenty-three players carry them while they watch Netflix or something.

I mean i got most things muscle memoryed myself and I can play fine while watching lucifer or something on most things (some parts require look but on ps controller i got it mostly memorized on boss patterns

[Peace-Division]

Regarding damaging spells and healing - WHM roles


You can tell , even in a regular dungeon , on a single pack pull of multiple enemies the huge difference a WHM has if they use Holy or not. With AOE dps in the group and WHM Holy spam the packs die way faster.

One good reason for regular use of it is to give them selves some room for a hard cast heal during the stun phase (before diminishing returns kicks in) and then spamming holy is great dungeon damage once damage spikes goes down as npcs in the bunch die. The spell looks and sounds cool, why on earth would you not want to use it?


The thing I despise about healer laziness is that it seems to promote bad healing. Those WHMs i see that think only to heal use the wrong heals anyways. Cure is not a good tool to use after you get regen and cure 2, period. Cure 2 is supplemented by your oGcds after 52 and onward. Your assize spell is amazing to help kill dungeon npcs with holy spam. Medica 2s regen stacks with regen, use them both for your tank and with holy spam you can get a good amount of heals on a tank with little effort plus your doing easy to cast damage. 3 button combo , medica 2, regen, holy spam. If you have to lob in a hard cast time your holys to stun so you can hard cast during stun phase, if your in your 60s you have multiple insta cast heals you can weave into instead.

You have to do this stuff when your playing solo, you cant not attack quest npcs and heal your way to the end of it. Do that in a group setting and its lights out for npcs especially when your summoner and machinst in your DF group realizes your on the ball they go mental with dps as they know how easy it is for a whm to smash aoe and insta heal the grp. its like turning a choir into a full on symphony. full rampage mode activated.

[Kamome-chan]

Hall of the Novice says healers should DPS during healing downtime.

Also Yoshi-p said you won't have to stay sub to keep your house.

And my conjurer squadron is throwing harmful spell at ennemies in dungeons.

[ForteNightshade]

Healer dps is not factored in when Square Enix designs raids. I am not saying you shouldn't dps but only if you are comfortable doing it. Maybe you should just run with premades if everyone upsets you so much.

Shiva, at release, was statistically impossible to clear without both healers DPSing. That alone means healer DPS is factored into Savage and Ultimate content. Even a month later, and with players mostly geared. Her DPS is relatively tight for the more average raid community. Simply put, low DPS healers require significantly better performance from the dedicated DPS players and tanks. If they played at a comparable level to pure healer, you wouldn't be able to clear. Hence why the community response to pure healers is so negative. They actively contribute less to the overall fight, which people don't feel is fair. You may not like that but then your complaints should be towards the encounter design and/or healer kit for not giving healers more to do.

[LittleImp]

Giving Advice
vs.
Intentionally putting forward minimum effort in team-oriented content.

How did we wind up here as community? It's so tiresome.
I've never seen a game community with values as warped as this one. People are lucky there are people trying to help them get better in the first place.

[Kayaba]

Everyone is forgetting one key thing. You don’t have to use duty finder. Go make an FC and find players that want to play the way you do. If you don’t want sub optimal runs from time to time then don’t use duty finder. There are plenty of people that will be glad to join up with you and bang out content with you. You have no right to dictate how others play when you have all the tools to go find other people to play with that have the same goals or mindset as you. Though based on how people that complain about stuff like run times in normal content act towards people I understand how making friends is harder than Savage mode for them. If you want a community of hardcore try harder 24/7 then join up with them. Or better yet just go play WoW and see how much fun that community is. Outside of Alliance raids even the “worst” groups only take an additional 5-6 mins. Most wipes are from people not doing mechanics while staring at their DOD meter anyways. Stand in fire dps higher seems to be the new mantra.