Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Mirhd]

I'm assuming they mentioned the DPS to us in order to highlight why they decided to do only medium pulls, which caused the initial annoyance to the healer.

Yes, I'd considered that, as I mentioned, though their post reads more the other way. Anyhow, the healer was quite aware they weren't/barely dpsing I'm sure, and the tank doing small pulls implies a lack of dps, therefore it isn't a stretch to say the healer could easily take that as a dig at their expense - it's taking longer because they aren't dpsing, rather than the actual dps classes not doing what they need to do. I thought that was obvious myself, but apparently not.

While a healer contributing dps certainly helps, them not dpsing has much less of an impact on the length of time a dungeon takes than if a dps just single targets everything and doesn't even do proper combos.

[Tlamila]

Yes, I'd considered that, as I mentioned, though their post reads more the other way. Anyhow, the healer was quite aware they weren't/barely dpsing I'm sure, and the tank doing small pulls implies a lack of dps, therefore it isn't a stretch to say the healer could easily take that as a dig at their expense - it's taking longer because they aren't dpsing, rather than the actual dps classes not doing what they need to do. I thought that was obvious myself, but apparently not.

While a healer contributing dps certainly helps, them not dpsing has much less of an impact on the length of time a dungeon takes than if a dps just single targets everything and doesn't even do proper combos.

It's funny cause you're the only one who read it that way, but got angry at others for reading comprehension.

The healer is the one who got angry and wanted bigger pulls even though they weren't possible in that situation and they couldn't heal them. It's not about how much dps the healer was doing.

[Noira]

I think Mirhd is saying that the reason the healer couldn't heal was the dps was low on the dps end which is what the tank implied.

Granted the healer could have dpsed to circumvent the low dps but meh.

[Mirhd]

It's funny cause you're the only one who read it that way, but got angry at others for reading comprehension.

The healer is the one who got angry and wanted bigger pulls even though they weren't possible in that situation and they couldn't heal them. It's not about how much dps the healer was doing.

What?

That's some good reading comprehension right there.

He never mention the dps to them. He saw low dps so he decided to do medium pull

Healer said he can handle big pull.

Wipe

Healer wants to do try again

Wipe

Sedd tells she now do small pull so they won't wipe and can be done with the dungeon

Healers who can't dps and handle big pull as he said he would got mad.

That person was the one who brought it up, so I responded in kind. Nothing in my posts have been me "getting mad", either. Really, people on this forum just seem to look for reasons to get uppity it seems.

I think Mirhd is saying that the reason the healer couldn't heal was the dps was low on the dps end which is what the tank implied.

Granted the healer could have dpsed to circumvent the low dps but meh.

You're mostly right. The fault is still largely with the dps, since the OP mentioned they were single targeting, but the healer could have handled it better.

[Kamome-chan]

I think Mirhd is saying that the reason the healer couldn't heal was the dps was low on the dps end which is what the tank implied.

Granted the healer could have dpsed to circumvent the low dps but meh.

But the story wasn't about tank doing big pull and then blaming the healer for not doing dps and letting him die.

I mention their dps not to shame them but because when I see lower dps groups, I don't do large pulls due to running out of cds because mobs die too slow. The healer got mad at me for doing medium pulls and request large pulls, saying he won't let me die.

[Seddrinth]

The DRG was doing really low dps, so you call out the healer? Makes sense!

Look, I get you were annoyed that the healer wasn't dpsing at all, but the sole reason dps exist is to, you know... dps. The healer might have let you die twice out of spite for your comment, who knows. I don't agree with it as it certainly didn't help the situation at all, but if dps is low/dps are single targetting, things not dying quickly enough is a dps problem, period - expecting healers to pick up the slack for lackluster dps is silly. As for healing big pulls, that's another matter, and we don't know if they legitimately couldn't or were trolling you at that point, though the latter doesn't strike me as unlikely, given the situation.

I don't get mad at people who do low dps because some people are newer and/or undergeared. We can still complete the dungeon even with people doing really low dps. I have bis on tank set so my dps can offset a lot of lower dps people, so it's not a big deal. If I see a group doing decent dps then I will do wall to wall pulls to finish the dungeon in a timely manner. When I saw that group doing very low dps, I pulled smaller groups. The healer got mad that I was doing small pulls and told me to go big and promise he/she won't let me die. Well, I did that and I died. He/she apologized and told me to try big pull again. I died again. I decided to not waste the group's time and do moderate pulls the rest of the dungeon and that's when the healer got mad.

Low dps in a duty finder is not really a big issue for me because I know I can still get the group to complete, even if it took longer. At no point did I say I was annoyed at the healer for doing zero dps. It seems you have a big problem understanding english, maybe ESL?

[Ghishlain]

I was doing roulettes to get EXP on my MNK and I Normal Raid roulette into A12N last night - which generally means at least one wipe because tanks forget they need to LB3 at Alexander Prime's super attack.

I wasn't wrong.. but in total there were three wipes before we got a clear:

1. Tanks did not use LB3 during Alexander Prime's super attack
2. Only two people did time portal add phase so there wasn't enough DPS to actually kill the adds
3. Tank cleaved both healers after a Temporal Stasis mechanic with. One healer died but the second lived, though they died to the subsequent Mega Holy since they were busy trying to cast a Medica II too late

We got the clear on the 4th attempt after I instructed the tanks and DPS on how to handle mechanics and positioning we messed up after each attempt. It was clear that quite a few people were new or haven't done the fight much (three people ended up with the first clear achievement at the end). This was especially true both tanks, though they listened to instructions and their play and positioning improved as we went through the motions.

What irritated me was when one healer made the comment to the tank about: "Remember to face the boss at the party because we have to see the boss to be able to hit them" which I imagine was a triggered reaction after being cleaved on the 3rd wipe. This made me roll my eyes though because the healers (two WHMs whom were in the same FC, one being the leader) were terrible, to be put it politely and frank.

• The MT was consistently below 50% HP throughout the fight - they had to Clemency to survive auto / tank busters / cleaves while the healers would continue to throw out Stone III
• There were deaths during the first two attempts at the add phase - tanks and DPS would die do to healers just spamming Holy and Stone III while not paying attention to HP bars. With that being said, two DPS deaths could be attributed to tanks both trying to pick up the same General add, but I would chalk that one up to one of the tanks being freshly raised and confused after not getting healed and dying during the previous add phase.
• Adder to the two DPS death's listed above - healers continued to spam Stone III after these two deaths when Wings were up and not raising dead DPS until Alex was going into their Super Attack phase
• Healers were not topping up raised players - given the number of AoEs that get tossed out during that fight, it lead to subsequent deaths
• Blazing Scourge targets were not getting healed which lead to deaths / butt clenching HP pools after subsequent Mega Holys

The icing on the cake for me was seeing that these two healers had a mix and match of crafted 480s / augmented Tomestone weapons / Edenchoir gear and were performing so slow and lacked proper healing judgement. I know for a fact that despite how crazy the fight was I could keep the wheels on that party on straight while solo healing as a WHM while these two could barely keep up. It's clear that they haven't healed 8-man content before or just didn't care about having the situational awareness needed to heal the content well.

Still, I would think people participating and clearing Savage raid tiers would have the sense to know how to play a role at a remotely passable level...... in the end I just blacklisted them and moved on as I wouldn't want players like that being anywhere close to me in a Savage setting.

[Mirhd]

I don't get mad at people who do low dps because some people are newer and/or undergeared. We can still complete the dungeon even with people doing really low dps. I have bis on tank set so my dps can offset a lot of lower dps people, so it's not a big deal. If I see a group doing decent dps then I will do wall to wall pulls to finish the dungeon in a timely manner. When I saw that group doing very low dps, I pulled smaller groups. The healer got mad that I was doing small pulls and told me to go big and promise he/she won't let me die. Well, I did that and I died. He/she apologized and told me to try big pull again. I died again. I decided to not waste the group's time and do moderate pulls the rest of the dungeon and that's when the healer got mad.

Low dps in a duty finder is not really a big issue for me because I know I can still get the group to complete, even if it took longer. At no point did I say I was annoyed at the healer for doing zero dps. It seems you have a big problem understanding english, maybe ESL?

Way to be insulting, well done. No, I don't have a problem with English, thanks. Also, I'm one of those people who don't care if dungeons take an extra 5 minutes or even longer, but considering the amount of whining I've seen from other posters on this forum complaining about "healer dps" and what not, I don't think my original post was all that strange. I even mentioned in said post how I think the healer could have handled the situation better/may have been trolling you after your exchange in an act of pettiness, but sure, ignore that as the other posters did. My point still stands regardless, as (and apparently this was too difficult for others to grasp) you still felt the need to call out the healer here, when it was clearly a group issue.

What still baffles me is why you didn't simply ask the dps to aoe, as doing single target on groups is silly, big pulls or not. All it takes is a simple "Could you please use aoe on groups? It's more effective." If they listen, fine, if they don't, shrug and continue on. That might have saved you and everyone else aggravation (things dying quick enough so you don't run out of CDs), but apparently communication is too much to ask these days.

...in the end I just blacklisted them and moved on as I wouldn't want players like that being anywhere close to me in a Savage setting.

The dreaded "Green DPS"... sounds about right. Unfortunately, blacklisting doesn't prevent you from being grouped with them - you just can't see their text/receive tells.

[Quintessa]

I've read enough stories about Dohn Mheg that whenever I get it now, I want to start singing a Keith Sweat song "Something just ain't right".

[SturmChurro]

All it takes is a simple "Could you please use aoe on groups? It's more effective." If they listen, fine, if they don't, shrug and continue on. That might have saved you and everyone else aggravation (things dying quick enough so you don't run out of CDs), but apparently communication is too much to ask these days.

You trying to get them banned?! I would never suggest doing something like that, not even to my worst enemy!