Whispering during dungeons

[Lauront]

It's just FF14 really.

The game is rather strange in that the devs go out of their way to handhold and protect their playerbase from things that are perfectly fine in pretty much any other game and the playerbase defends it to the death. Mailing alts, whispering in dungeons, endgame parsers, PvP communication and so on. Nope, can't have that, it'd cause toxic behavior. We must have one of the most toxic communities of any game ever made if it needs to be kept in check so strictly.

I also remember they kept mentioning in interviews, in the lead up to SHB, they wanted to reduce healer/tank "stress" and "anxiety". And yet I frequently hear players of both these roles complaining that they have been watered down and become very boring, with a few exceptions.

[Jojoya]

I also remember they kept mentioning in interviews, in the lead up to SHB, they wanted to reduce healer/tank "stress" and "anxiety". And yet I frequently hear players of both these roles complaining that they have been watered down and become very boring, with a few exceptions.

Those players are only speaking for themselves, not for everyone.

Easy or not, if I'm in an instance I've chosen to devote my time to that group and don't want to be distracted from what I'm doing by random tells made by people who bored. People send tells for the dumbest reasons with no regard for what the other player might be doing. If I'm healing a boss fight, I don't want to be hearing how someone's dog just peed on the bed and how they hate they now have to clean it up (and that's hardly the dumbest of the tells I used to get while in the middle of raiding in WoW). Save it for when I'm out of the dungeon and not otherwise busy if you want to vent at me.

Maybe if more players had the common sense and basic courtesy to ask themselves "is what I'm going to say important enough to interrupt my friend and distract them from what they're doing?", there would be less need to block tells within instances. Maybe if fewer players weren't doing it intentionally to harass and distract the other player at a time when they know the player will have difficulty responding to their rude interruption, there would be no need.

If there's an actual emergency that needs to interrupt what someone is doing, friends and family will have ways to contact the player outside of game chat to get their attention.

[Vahlnir]

I also remember they kept mentioning in interviews, in the lead up to SHB, they wanted to reduce healer/tank "stress" and "anxiety". And yet I frequently hear players of both these roles complaining that they have been watered down and become very boring, with a few exceptions.

I don't think that's really "stress" or "anxiety". That is just boredom and people being unhappy with their job changes. I started to tank full time with Shadowbringers, and I can most definitely say that tank/healer anxiety is a thing. Even after tanking for months and then taking a break for a few more and coming back...it's still there to some degree, but once I threw myself off the deep end by queueing for literally every roulette I'm largely getting over it again. When I played FF XI I was a PLD, and I had the confidence. After playing damage classes since quitting FF XI it's quite a change to go from 0 responsibility to looking after your party.

[Awha]

Would be nice give people advice via whisper maybe more would take it to heart because it does not invole blowing up their spot by calling them out infront of the entire group.

[Quintessa]

I want this now, if it gets people to actually talk to me.

[Kuroka]

Imo let us whisper pl in duty, but dont let them answer, so you can reach them and they can react after it.

[Canadane]

you can't open your friends list/ fc up though so pretty much redundant

/tell Wooden Bucket@Jenova You can still do it this way
/tell Wooden Bucket@Jenova It's pretty neat

[Woodenbucket]

Those players are only speaking for themselves, not for everyone.

Easy or not, if I'm in an instance I've chosen to devote my time to that group and don't want to be distracted from what I'm doing by random tells made by people who bored. People send tells for the dumbest reasons with no regard for what the other player might be doing. If I'm healing a boss fight, I don't want to be hearing how someone's dog just peed on the bed and how they hate they now have to clean it up (and that's hardly the dumbest of the tells I used to get while in the middle of raiding in WoW). Save it for when I'm out of the dungeon and not otherwise busy if you want to vent at me.

Well then introduce a do not disturb mode where it doesn't send the tell, also in wow you could create multiple tabs to ignore the whisper anyways.

[RagingStallion]

No this will just lead to more toxic behavior, most people who want to use whispers during dungeons just want to sh*t-talk another player that is playing badly.

[Granyala]

I'm actually really glad that you can't send tells during dungeons. I sincerely wonder why people get into public content with others and don't have the common courtesy to focus on that content for the 15-20 minutes you're occupied. Hopefully SE never changes this. I mean, we have linkshells that do this anyway so this feels like a non-issue for people invested in being a decent player in a dungeon.

You do realize that you have a chatlog?
I'd love to be able to greet friends from other servers when coming online. They don't have to respond right away (I certainly wouldn't during a fight) but they can see it later.

Instead, I constantly get the "forbidden zone" idiocy and it can be several DAYS until I manage to be lucky to get through.

Linkshells are limited in number, so they are only a bandaid, not a solution.

I started to tank full time with Shadowbringers, and I can most definitely say that tank/healer anxiety is a thing. Even after tanking for months and then taking a break for a few more and coming back...it's still there to some degree, but once I threw myself off the deep end by queueing for literally every roulette I'm largely getting over it again. When I played FF XI I was a PLD, and I had the confidence. After playing damage classes since quitting FF XI it's quite a change to go from 0 responsibility to looking after your party.

Mobs in dungeons hit like wet noodles, and nowadays you get the aggro by sneezing in the general direction of a mob. What exactly is there to take responsibility for?
I feel that people who moan about "anxiety" in regards to a VIDEO GAME are waaay out there, making a mountain out of a ... grain of sand.

I primarily heal and tank in this game. Sure, some savage raid mechanic may be of interest to a tank but most of the content is just a snoozefest, especially as a tank.
Back in the days of eld, when a mob could cleave the healer/DPS with one hit, healing aggro was a problem and a runaway mob was difficult to catch and regain control over: yeah I played in those days and there tanking could be frustrating/intimidating. Esp in early WoW with very little reliable AoE, constantly cycling through the mobs to keep tabs on all.

No this will just lead to more toxic behavior, most people who want to use whispers during dungeons just want to sh*t-talk another player that is playing badly.

Right click -> ignore player.
Works wonders for WoW. For everything else, whispering is very convenient. Esp giving tips w/o public embarrassment.

Easy or not, if I'm in an instance I've chosen to devote my time to that group and don't want to be distracted from what I'm doing by random tells made by people who bored. People send tells for the dumbest reasons with no regard for what the other player might be doing.

Then don't read the chat straight away? Filter out tells in a background tab and read it after the fight?
Still leagues better than not being able to contact s/o at all because "lol duty".

BTW: SE could implement sth from Deadly Boss Mods in WoW, where, if you are infight, the whispering party gets an automated response of who you fight against, letting them know not to expect an immediate response.