We really need to talk about Living Dead

[DWolfwood]

Guess what chief...there is no 'theoretically' in "can LD be dealt with by a healer easily without Bene". The answer is a simple 'yes' and nothing more.

Guess what chief, there's a difference between being able to do something on a dummy and doing it when it matters, and no, the answer is not always a straight forward "yes." That's just clear as day. You can make excuses all you want and condescend half the community by telling them they don't understand the ability, but the fact remains that 3 out of 4 tanks can be healed to 50% or less HP during an invuln and be perfectly fine whereas one will ALWAYS die at no fault of their own.

Edit - Even if half the community "doesn't understand" an ability, why is that kind of ability in a game that the developers claim to be trying to make more accessible?

Literally the only thing you have to stand on is your elitism and wanting it to be difficult for other players, and frankly I'd respect you a lot more if you just admitted that.

[Lucy_Pyre]

Guess what chief, there's a difference between being able to do something on a dummy and doing it when it matters, and no, the answer is not always a straight forward "yes." That's just clear as day. You can make excuses all you want and condescend half the community by telling them they don't understand the ability, but the fact remains that 3 out of 4 tanks can be healed to 50% or less HP during an invuln and be perfectly fine whereas one will ALWAYS die at no fault of their own.

Edit - Even if half the community "doesn't understand" an ability, why is that kind of ability in a game that the developers claim to be trying to make more accessible?

Literally the only thing you have to stand on is your elitism and wanting it to be difficult for other players, and frankly I'd respect you a lot more if you just admitted that.

No the ground I have to stand on is that LD is hilariously easy to understand, so if people can't comprehend how to manage it then that really is a 'them' problem. Unfortunately, not everything can be, nor should be, catered to sub-par players.

[TheRealQuah]

No the ground I have to stand on is that LD is hilariously easy to understand, so if people can't comprehend how to manage it then that really is a 'them' problem. Unfortunately, not everything can be, nor should be, catered to sub-par players.

Don't think there's much point arguing with the people here. They clearly don't understand nuanced arguments, or playing the game with a basic level of competence. Especially when people who get carried though every fight they've ever cleared start crying "elitism" at the first chance of someone trying to correct them on their incorrect thinking. 100% agree with your sig.

[Hierro]

you know what, I've been saying that LD was fine for years, but then again, this was mostly in the context where convalescence was a thing. Chrono's got a point where there were actually more tools to deal with LD.

Are things "fine" right now? Sure, of that there's no doubt, every healer has the tools to remove walking dead when necessary. But could it be better? Most certainly.

[Lucy_Pyre]

Don't think there's much point arguing with the people here. They clearly don't understand nuanced arguments, or playing the game with a basic level of competence. Especially when people who get carried though every fight they've ever cleared start crying "elitism" at the first chance of someone trying to correct them on their incorrect thinking. 100% agree with your sig.

Oh I'm well aware that it's most certainly just pointless trying to debate things on these forums. For the most part the types of players that make complaint posts on forums are ones who are already set in their belief to an extent that, no matter if they're shown to be wrong through simple debate or even something as concrete as physical evidence, they'll still find some crazy mental gymnastics to claim that everything said has proven their point all along. It's no different than how players will, most of the time, either brush you off, ignore you entirely, or be outright hostile when one gives some polite advice in duty finder. A large part of the blame lies in how the game's community coddles people to such a ridiculous degree.

[DWolfwood]

No the ground I have to stand on is that LD is hilariously easy to understand, so if people can't comprehend how to manage it then that really is a 'them' problem. Unfortunately, not everything can be, nor should be, catered to sub-par players.

I'm fine with that IF the challenge is in my own hands. Give me 2.x DRK any day, back when you actually had to think about positioning for autoattacks, MP management, tanking without tank stance (no free aggro multiplier), no shirk, animation lock from plunge, low blow procs, DoT management, Dark Side skills with proper timings, proc'd reprisals, and much tighter defensive CD management.

Instead we get a dumbed down DRK that STILL has this shitty ability that takes all the challenge out of the DRK's own hands and these elitists who think they know what they're talking about.

I'd be fine with the making the game more accessible, but please stop taking the challenge of DRK out of the DRK's hands.

[Lucy_Pyre]

these elitists who think they know what they're talking about.

And you do know what you're talking about? That's honestly one of the funniest things I've heard all week. I dunno man, I'm not a fan of this 50 Shades of Gray stuff and this whole thread gives me that vibe.

[Tint]

No the ground I have to stand on is that LD is hilariously easy to understand, so if people can't comprehend how to manage it then that really is a 'them' problem. Unfortunately, not everything can be, nor should be, catered to sub-par players.

The problem with Living Dead is that it is not a "them" problem but a "me" problem when they don't understand the ability >.>

[Lucy_Pyre]

The problem with Living Dead is that it is not a "them" problem but a "me" problem when they don't understand the ability >.>

If the healer is sitting there drooling at their keyboard when the tank needs to use an invuln in order to survive every tank is going to die shortly after that invuln ends. DRK is not special in that scenario. In fact, the only tank that is immune to this is, once again, PLD. Which just goes to prove, once again that the actual outlier here is PLD.

[Chrono_Rising]

If the healer is sitting there drooling at their keyboard when the tank needs to use an invuln in order to survive every tank is going to die shortly after that invuln ends. DRK is not special in that scenario. In fact, the only tank that is immune to this is, once again, PLD. Which just goes to prove, once again that the actual outlier here is PLD.

I think this horse has been beaten to death, it has been explained so many times in so many ways including 6 different examples from the current tier: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post5378810. But you just keep on with the same tired poor reasoning.

Seems like you either don't understand how invulns work or cannot put the prep and planning time into making it work with your healers so that they don't need to drop 170k worth of heals on you. Or you just like making healers beast heal you in 10 seconds no matter what.