Incentives to tank and heal need to be buffed significantly

[Goji1639]

eh dungeons ya everyone's job is easy but that's not even 40% of the game lol on alliance raids (infact even in shisui ive had dps screw up on the run away from target follow abilities

look at alliance raids dps screw up or fail to meet a check gg all you have to do on a tank is hold correctly /position and use your cds with maybe 1-2 times with a special tank mecha of swapping or getting theaters.. most of the the other stuff like adds is just basic 101 ... compare that to the rest and ya tanks got it easy lol one reason i mostly do raids/alliance raids on tank is tanks got it easy on those lol

Dungeons are the vast majority of the game for the vast majority of players. There's no DPS checks in any of the roulettes or story content, which is what most people are playing when they're deciding what role they want to take on. I didn't even touch Alliance raids as I was going through the story.

All the way up to 80 I don't think I've ever encountered an instance where a DPS screwing up actually wiped the party. As long as the tank and healer did their jobs and survived everything else didn't matter; the fight just took an extra couple minutes if a DPS died. That's why most people go straight to DPS when they're new or uncertain; it's the least responsibility by a very wide margin. By the time you're actually facing a DPS check you're well past the point where you're deciding what you want to main.

[Ilenya]

There's no DPS checks in any of the roulettes or story content...

I...I mean, there are... Ghimlyt Dark comes to mind. Granted, I've never *failed* it, but it exists.

See also, Steps of Faith, though that's a mechanics check that got nerfed to the ground.

[RyuSaarva]

eh dungeons ya everyone's job is easy but that's not even 40% of the game lol on alliance raids (infact even in shisui ive had dps screw up on the run away from target follow abilities

look at alliance raids dps screw up or fail to meet a check gg all you have to do on a tank is hold correctly /position and use your cds with maybe 1-2 times with a special tank mecha of swapping or getting theaters.. most of the the other stuff like adds is just basic 101 ... compare that to the rest and ya tanks got it easy lol one reason i mostly do raids/alliance raids on tank is tanks got it easy on those lol

The only reason why dps checks fail in alliance dungeon is because tanks did not move adds or tank them at all, dps can just press random buttons and you will be fine.

[LolitaBansheeMeru]

Dungeons are the vast majority of the game for the vast majority of players. There's no DPS checks in any of the roulettes or story content, which is what most people are playing when they're deciding what role they want to take on. I didn't even touch Alliance raids as I was going through the story.

All the way up to 80 I don't think I've ever encountered an instance where a DPS screwing up actually wiped the party. As long as the tank and healer did their jobs and survived everything else didn't matter; the fight just took an extra couple minutes if a DPS died. That's why most people go straight to DPS when they're new or uncertain; it's the least responsibility by a very wide margin. By the time you're actually facing a DPS check you're well past the point where you're deciding what you want to main.

(cough) lets see here old steps of faith (back before hw came out on my 1st acc) did , people have trouble with dpsing Titanan (fairy trail) a few people on the big ant lord on dpsing the butterflys ... I had few new ppl fail to do it on ifirts nail and titans heart a few times even after being told to ... Then theres few others like swallows compass (although most get it) but they most certainly do exist and can happan and not just dps checks ive seen dps run
into the healer with the follow aoe things like in shisui, theres also (well doesn't matter any more) but the alliance raids where it exist... "trails" mostly have atleast one Look at ramuh some how people still fail it unless your going unsync

not even counting the lake dungeon when they dont dps the bird quick enough and everyone dies on midgard lol


hell last week i had a pt where the healer and I on warrior had to pick up the plants in the dungeon because the dps didnt do any of it lol

[Anienai]

All I want is a John Cena intro when loading into a group as a tank.

[ItMe]

50k is overkill. I rather they focus on making the roles more engaging to play instead of tryingbto bribe people into playing them.

Louder for the people in the back!

[Goji1639]

(cough) lets see here old steps of faith (back before hw came out on my 1st acc) did , people have trouble with dpsing Titanan (fairy trail) a few people on the big ant lord on dpsing the butterflys ... I had few new ppl fail to do it on ifirts nail and titans heart a few times even after being told to ... Then theres few others like swallows compass (although most get it) but they most certainly do exist and can happan and not just dps checks ive seen dps run
into the healer with the follow aoe things like in shisui, theres also (well doesn't matter any more) but the alliance raids where it exist... "trails" mostly have atleast one Look at ramuh some how people still fail it unless your going unsync

not even counting the lake dungeon when they dont dps the bird quick enough and everyone dies on midgard lol


hell last week i had a pt where the healer and I on warrior had to pick up the plants in the dungeon because the dps didnt do any of it lol

Erm, a handful of fights that were sort of DPS checks a long time ago doesn't really make your point. In this games massive amount of dungeons there's a handful where losing a DPS MIGHT matter; whereas a tank/healer dying, failing in any content in any context could easily result in a wipe.

Even if we focus on your limited set of scenarios only, DPS always have someone to help cover their failures. Being only 1/4th or 1/2nd of your role is a fraction of the responsibility on your shoulders specifically, and every role is technically responsible for meeting a DPS check, not just DPS.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

Erm, a handful of fights that were sort of DPS checks a long time ago doesn't really make your point. In this games massive amount of dungeons there's a handful where losing a DPS MIGHT matter; whereas a tank/healer dying, failing in any content in any context could easily result in a wipe.

Even if we focus on your limited set of scenarios only, DPS always have someone to help cover their failures. Being only 1/6th or 1/2nd of your role is a fraction of the responsibility on your shoulders specifically, and every role is technically responsible for meeting a DPS check, not just DPS.

Of those "massive dungeons" there's only a handful where a party of healer + 2 DPS who kicked their tank or tank + 2 DPS who kicked their healer can't progress slowly, one pull at a time.

[Goji1639]

Of those "massive dungeons" there's only a handful where a party of healer + 2 DPS who kicked their tank or tank + 2 DPS who kicked their healer can't progress slowly, one pull at a time.

Right. Progress slowly, 1 pull at a time, and then wipe at the boss or wait. Whereas if you kick a DPS, and by some miracle he's not replaced so fast it cracks your monitor, you could still finish the entire dungeon with literally no issue.

Not trying to rag on DPS, it's just how this dynamic works. DPS are very low consequence, very low responsibility. That makes it really appealing to new players, and what people start with in a game like this will often be what they stick with. That's why we see very few tanks and healers by comparison.

[TyrTry]

I just want competent players. Dps, tank, or healer, I could care less which one. Just act like ya give a damn.

Hell, just give us ALL boosted awards just for dealing with Pugs who make dungeons last longer than 30 minutes...