Praetorium - Worst Experience Ever

[Naoki34]

MSQ dungeon are always bad experience...

5 min of cutscene -> Rush to the next cutscene -> 5 min of... =>>> Total : 45 min+ for finish the dungeon
Pnj speak to much...

Why is my group watching the bad guy doing 5 min of exhibition dialogue, telling us how ambitious and bad he is groar ... Then let him go by walking instead of backstabbing him, instead to watch him walk slowly towards his big mecha or are we too arrogant like Vegeta? Hmmm I'm too strong, let him get into his big machine ... /facepalm

[Rosenstrauch]

Why is my group watching the bad guy doing 5 min of exhibition dialogue, telling us how ambitious and bad he is groar ... Then let him go by walking instead of backstabbing him, instead to watch him walk slowly towards his big mecha or are we too arrogant like Vegeta? Hmmm I'm too strong, let him get into his big machine ... /facepalm

He offered us two pizzas with stuffed crusts.

[TyrTry]

He offered us two pizzas with stuffed crusts.

I mean...that would get me stick.

"Want to listen to my 2 hour lecture about pancakes?!"

"NO!"

"But pizza with stuffed crust...."

"You have my attention. "

[Esmoire]

MSQ dungeon are always bad experience...

5 min of cutscene -> Rush to the next cutscene -> 5 min of... =>>> Total : 45 min+ for finish the dungeon
Pnj speak to much...

Why is my group watching the bad guy doing 5 min of exhibition dialogue, telling us how ambitious and bad he is groar ... Then let him go by walking instead of backstabbing him, instead to watch him walk slowly towards his big mecha or are we too arrogant like Vegeta? Hmmm I'm too strong, let him get into his big machine ... /facepalm

It's so awful. The ending of ARR in general is a huge let down, and I get the feeling they planned way more than they could deliver on, what with the fact ARR was rushed and had a lot of baggage from 1.0.

Feels like out of all the big bads we saw, Livia was the only one that was developed on screen. Rhitahtyn to some degree got a little, but was just bulldozed unceremoniously. Figure like all of them could have had echo scenes or something to tell us more about our adversary and empathize with their motivations. Instead, Gaius and Nero have a truckload of exposition just crammed into one dungeon with them. Gaius has over 15 min of dialogue and talks so much, yet says so little. Feel like if they spread the exposition out better and had better writing, they wouldn't need to have so many long cutscenes.

[Raltar]

They missed near everything in between the cutscenes.

But there is literally nothing of note between cut scenes. Just trash mobs. And even the fastest groups would have trouble killing Nero in the 15 seconds it takes for the teleport option to show up. So you literally miss nothing.

[Puremallace]

Praetorium sucks because they have automatic cut scene triggers so instead of fighting the mobs you can just skip to the next part by hitting the triggers. If you were mad imagine how mad everyone else was to get that because you needed the MSQ lol. That entire group got that because you queued for it. No other thing I have seen in the game works like that place. It is almost like they realized they made a horrible mistake with the set-up of that place and never did it again.

[Goji1639]

Being able to know how your skills work above 50 is a way it teaches you. Learning to AoE, manage healing, etc is a way it teaches you. It teaches you the basics, while it's literally impossible to learn the basics of a job via MSQ. It's not even the best leveling tool at higher levels! Dungeons with non-potatoes is easily more exp/hour.

This is my primary issue with the community right now. You want your selfish little Netflix EXP drop every day at the cost of not knowing a damn thing about how to play the game. That means that you will need to be carried in the future, burdening 3-23 other players because you want an easy path. If it's elitist to feel that people should carry their own weight, so be it. I'd rather see people understand more and do better then flail at their keyboard randomly.

Learning the basics of how to AoE, Heal, etc. all happens before 50. Learning how your class plays optimally at 80 never happens at all while leveling. Removing MSQ won't change a thing about that; it'll just make leveling take longer.

Like I said, I'm not interested in dragging out the leveling process just so I can act elitist. Removing MSQ would make absolutely no difference in player skill.

Improving the experience for new players is a reason to remove this Roulette I can get behind, but thinking it's the reason "players are bad" is just dumb... If this poor reasoning is why we want it gone I'd rather keep my poetics and faster levels.

[TeraRamis]

Thread feels like bait to me. The "story" told in Prae is 90% monologuing - you are missing nothing, because, of course, it's unskippable.

[Skivvy]

Thread feels like bait to me. The "story" told in Prae is 90% monologuing - you are missing nothing, because, of course, it's unskippable.

They wouldn't necessarily miss out on the CS, but rather an enjoyable experience. While keeping with the group will get you through pretty unscathed, it can be easy to get turned around in there, especially if you miss clicking an elevator or grabbing a magitek key. Groups move quickly there, and it is easy for new people to get left behind, and the next thing they know they're getting a popup to join a fight. It can be jarring, and not all that pleasant for a first timer.

It's not a great situation, but at least SE did learn from that and started putting the CSs at the end of instances.

[Puremallace]

Thread feels like bait to me. The "story" told in Prae is 90% monologuing - you are missing nothing, because, of course, it's unskippable.

The experience he describes is pretty much word for word what happened to me. You get this big story moment but you are 3 screens behind the level 80's who just want the nightmare to end because they have seen it a million times. It is just a very poorly designed raid that allows cutscenes to progress the dungeon vs actually clearing mobs.

It is almost like they designed this place before they realized you could have doors unlock before clearing mobs.