We really need to talk about Living Dead

[Lucy_Pyre]

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The claim that WAR is *always* capable of dealing with their own health management during/after Holmgang is, simply put, a lie. As I have said prior, there are times where the need to use Holm and/or Nascent lines up kindly with WAR's rotation and their ability to put out burst damage, and thus healing, for NF. That isn't always the case, however. If we're going to make a baseline statement then that statement must be based around the average, not the absolute best possible outcome. Am I capable of healing upwards of 120k HP on my WAR in a pinch? Yes. But only if I have access to ToB, Equilibrium, and I use 2 Inner Chaos charges as well as a Fell Cleave and Upheaval under Inner Release during the Nascent Flash window. Needless to say this is a situation that is simply not always going to be possible. A more realistic average would be to assume 1 Inner Chaos and one non-IR Fell Cleave which can be used during this theoretical average use of NF, as well as either a Maim or Storm's Path. Assuming that FC doesn't crit it will only heal you for around 10k-ish, while SP will heal for around 7-8k on its normal heal and around 4.5k on its NF heal, with IC generating around 25k healing. This totals out to 47k health restored, and it gets removed down to a maximum of 40k or even less if Storm's Path isn't used with its bonus heal from the ability itself.

Now, I can't say with exact certainty how much bosses this savage tier auto for as I don't care for the fights this tier, but Titan savage last tier auto attacked for 33k so we'll just assume that around a 40k auto is what you'll be eating here. This means that, from this average NF usage (which I'm even being generous on which moves get used in it in the first place) that leaves the WAR with more or less the exact amount of health to die to an auto attack, with either living or dying being able to be shifted between based on the raw variance of both the auto attack damage and heal values. So in this situation, even the WAR needs some assistance from the healer to not immediately drop dead. Of course, one could simply save ToB and/or Equilibrium to use in conjunction with Nascent Flash during this usage of Holmgang, and if the fight allows for you to do that, then that's great. That does not, however, remove the fact that that is simply not always going to be possible. That is why WAR's ability to manage its own health bar after using Holmgang is a variable statement, but primarily due to the fact that Nascent Flash's healing is based upon the damage they deal. Sometimes WAR needs no help, sometimes it does. Sometimes the time where NF is needed to be used in a fight lines up with WAR's burst in its rotation and the healers can ignore you, sometimes it doesn't line up so kindly and you need more attention. That's just the nature of damage-based healing mitigation.

[cactuarzzzz]

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Of all the situations you pick the one that all tank except maybe PLD have no chance without the healer. I could say that "I don't care about the Titan in the savage last tier" too. If I go for the sake of wining just like you.

Seriously tho, How about swap DRK with WAR in that situations and watch how harder it would be for DRK and the Healer who have to deal with them if DRK use LD and see if it reinforce your claim that "LD isn't bad"?