I dont think ishgard restoration was thought out very well...

[Shougun]

While I don't like missing fates and I still think it should have been done better: Part of a MMO-world is that the world can change due to actions of the players, even if you don't participate. If you missed an global event it still happend because others did it. I like that more and it feels more naturale then what WoW did with their layers.

Not to say you're wrong to have your opinion but just wanted to be a counter weight and say I would prefer that everything in the world responds to 'my' actions. Honestly don't care what you do, though I'm happy if you've fun doing it lol. I like people in the game in so much that they're fun to interact and fight things against with but at no point is any particular person 'canon' to my world except myself. We're all our own sort of WoL as the lore puts it, you're all nice and helpful but "I'm the WoL" lol (a point the lore team went over before). Obviously just my personal perspective, but wanted to say I prefer when it's my actions that trigger something, this type of perspective going beyond growth and story but also features- which would be why I just look at the housing system in a theme park mmo and go '...... y tho'.

I think it's cool that they've a whole area growing but on a personal level I'd been happier with it to move only at my influence, even if it was built as a server and personal project (such that the personal side could only move as far as the server has progressed as a unit). Ultimately a lot of issues arise because it's going (most likely) to be a housing area though, having a phased destroyed/not destroyed based on status area .. for housing would be a bit weird.. since some one would be like "come to my house in Ishgard" and you'd be like "wot?". Not something that has no potential solutions, but certainly adds a layer of 'weird' if they had a housing district phased to each player's status. Like one solution might just be to be able to go based on invitation and fc status, with a little bit of an echo visual effect for like the first second or two (to suggest that time isn't quite right, even a pop up message when you first enter to say you're peering into a potential future lol).

Anyway, I think it's interesting thing they tried and the game needs to have more than one type of content a person likes, but just wanted to say at least personally I prefer just my personal input to be the catalyst for change. So like the changes to the hub cities in past expansions I liked them because I was playing with them at the time so it felt fine, but I do feel a bit sad that new players wont get to see that growth.. it would have been neat.

[SamSmoot]

IMO, it should have been handled like Doma. And if indeed it eventually becomes a housing ward, I’d say it should be gated behind that progress (so didn’t bother with event, can’t buy a house).


But that is exactly why it is not personal like Doma: it absolutely is housing and per player progress would have locked people out of housing. Nobody is going to progress that story months later if there is no house to be had at the end.

At least, players that pushed it past a certain number of levels should get first chance at the houses there for a month, after which, any unsold ones will become open to the general public. Personally, I'm not interested in housing, so I only did it to finish leveling my crafts and stopped running it when they were all topped off.

[LaylaTsarra]

At least, players that pushed it past a certain number of levels should get first chance at the houses there for a month, after which, any unsold ones will become open to the general public. Personally, I'm not interested in housing, so I only did it to finish leveling my crafts and stopped running it when they were all topped off.

Not everyone crafts or does that content why should they have second place regards to housing? They got xp, tons of rewards which are firmament exclusive. They don't deserver special treatment for housing sorry don't agree.

[Arillyn]

Not everyone crafts or does that content why should they have second place regards to housing? They got xp, tons of rewards which are firmament exclusive. They don't deserver special treatment for housing sorry don't agree.

I understand what you are saying. By that same token, if people who actively worked to unlock that housing area (like me) end up having no chance to get a house there, but people who didn't do anything to help unlock it do get the houses - I don't think that's fair either. If the the Ishgard Housing isn't unlocked on a server, no one is getting a house there on that server. This is why I really really REALLY hope SE will surprise us and that the NPC houses you see now will always be there and any player housing is instanced from that so anyone who wants a house there can get one. I know it's like no chance of that happening, but that would be amazing.

[LaylaTsarra]

I understand what you are saying. By that same token, if people who actively worked to unlock that housing area (like me) end up having no chance to get a house there, but people who didn't do anything to help unlock it do get the houses

You got xp and rewards and there will be a ton of new rewards with additional releases. That doesn't entitle you to special access to housing something which so many are clamoring for. Sorry but I don't think the dev team is silly enough to approve something so divisive to the player community.

[Arillyn]

You got xp and rewards. That doesn't entitle you to special access to housing. Sorry but I don't think the dev team is silly enough to approve something so divisive to the player community.

I don't even know if I want a house there yet honestly. I'm just saying if people who actively worked to unlock it can't get a house there and people who didn't do anything to help unlock it do get housing - that is going to be divisive as well. Again, why I'm hoping SE just has the NPC housing as a front for instanced housing in that area.

As an aside - I didn't get any xp, all my crafts and gatherers were 80 before Ishgard Restoration was put in the game. I was just having fun unlocking it and seeing what would happen next. I did get rewards which I used for myself and I sold a few things too on the MB that other people didn't want to work towards and would rather just buy off the MB.

[Barraind]

rewards

Ishgard restoration had no rewards unique to it, except for the titles from the fight-the-bots portion. Everything else is both permanently available on the vendor, and tradable.

[Jojoya]

I didnt say that. I wanted something that was superficial for people to work on like the last crafting beast tribes had. Working on a namazu festival type of questline would have been perfect. Just add it along with the current iteration. And when it comes to the fates i think they should have more fates throughout a set time so more people can participate

But you're already getting that type of content from the beast tribe quests. We had personal progress with the Pixies. We had personal progress with the Qitari. We will probably get it again with the Dwarves in 5.3.

We don't need more of that content, we need different content. Ishgard Restoration is some of that different content. It's community content because we're building something that will be shared by the community.

It doesn't make sense for it to be individual progress that can be completed at a future date because it's leading up to a housing district. Players are going to want to visit houses owned by their friends. "Oh too bad so sad, you're only level 30 and so can't do the content required to visit your friend's house". It would make even less sense if players could visit only to have to build the entire district up from the rubble at a later date.

As for the FATEs, by themselves they are mechanical and boring. It's click item A then click item B then click item C then move back to item A and repeat. Go milk sheep in Azim Steppe for The Dataqi Chronicles: Duty FATE if you want to know what they were like.

What made them fun? The sense of urgency. The mild risk. The community coming together to complete them. If not enough players interrupted what they were doing to participate. the FATE would fail and progress on the current phase of the Restoration came to a halt. People would be sending out message in FC chat, linkshells, Discord "Come help, we need more people for the FATE". People would be encouraging each other in shout chat, or typing out song lyrics to lighten things up ("HEIGH HO" "HEIGH HO!" "IT'S OFF TO WORK WE GO", that happened during one of our FATEs). If the FATE was close to failing, we're push each other into giving that little bit of extra effort to make sure it didn't happen (but sometimes we still failed).

That's what made doing the FATEs fun, not the mechanical clicking of objects that was required. You can't get that sort of experience from content that's all about personal progression. This is a MMORPG. We need to content that's about community as much as we need the individual content. If there's no community content, we might as well go play a single player or co-op game.

You also seem to be forgetting that while you missed out on the 5.1 and 5.2 phases, we still have 5.3, 5.4, and 5.5. You are still going to get your chance to participate when we start on the next part.

Not to say you're wrong to have your opinion but just wanted to be a counter weight and say I would prefer that everything in the world responds to 'my' actions..

Then you should be playing a single player game that only responds to your actions instead of a massively multi-player game that needs to serve thousands of players equally.

By that same token, if people who actively worked to unlock that housing area (like me) end up having no chance to get a house there, but people who didn't do anything to help unlock it do get the houses - I don't think that's fair either.

I don't see SE sectioning off the player base and going "Group A has a chance to get a house in Ishgard but Group B doesn't". Everyone will get the same chance. It will come down to who acts faster.

[Shougun]

Then you should be playing a single player game that only responds to your actions instead of a massively multi-player game that needs to serve thousands of players equally.

. . .Honestly I'm a bit disappointed in you for saying that. :/ ..

The statement seems rather silly given that many MMOs including this one and the other top one, WoW, do exactly what I said I prefer in the majority of cases (there are a lot more examples of the world changing for -you- rather than for the community). Compared to what changes due to your actions there is very little that changes due to the community at large actions.

So.. I'm going to say, no and no strongly as it feels quite off putting to hear someone say to go some where else if they've a bias that is clearly supported by the games I play. Besides the whole "if you don't like it go somewhere else thing" just comes off as horrible, though I'm not saying it is anywhere near that level of "go back to your own country if you don't like it" it really has that vibe to me.

I would understand it more if I was demanding it was exclusively things responding to me, but if you read what I posted and the keywords I used that is clearly not the case.

[StriderShinryu]

if indeed it eventually becomes a housing ward, I’d say it should be gated behind that progress (so didn’t bother with event, can’t buy a house).

Even as someone who hasn't done anything in the Restoration outside of the initial quests, I actually like this idea. I wouldn't completely lock out those who didn't contribute but I would give first dibs and a price discount to those who did. Or maybe just require some basic level of contribution that pretty much anyone could achieve at any level if they really wanted to invest a little time at least as a check.