How has your mindset changed with regards to other players since your started the ga?

[Driavna]

forgotten how to talk to each other. It's like a wave of collective muteness has swept over the game.

I think current TOS do not help with this situation at all, the rest is due how convenient MMO's are this day. You really "don't need" other players, sure, you are better of having "friends" to play with for an optimal experience but that required effort. I mean, is not even for MMO's. I play another game that you only need 1 more player, and that forums is full of "Unplayable game, I always get paired with a bad player".

[StriderShinryu]

I think current TOS do not help with this situation at all, the rest is due how convenient MMO's are this day. You really "don't need" other players, sure, you are better of having "friends" to play with for an optimal experience but that required effort. I mean, is not even for MMO's. I play another game that you only need 1 more player, and that forums is full of "Unplayable game, I always get paired with a bad player".

Not saying you're wrong at all as I don't have any info/experience to say otherwise, but my personal take is it's likely the whole ToS situation has probably been overblown. To me it seems far more likely that a few people who were toxic jerks but swear they weren't got justifiable bans for "just trying to help" and then started complaining about the ToS which led to a chilling effect. Maybe the moderation team is completely inept but I find it hard to believe that someone would get sanctioned for legitimately being helpful even if the recipient of the advice took it the wrong way.

Once again, though, no personal experience with this. I just know that when I have tried to actually communicate in game and be helpful (or to ask for help myself) I've never had any issues.

[HeulGDarian]

Not saying you're wrong at all as I don't have any info/experience to say otherwise, but my personal take is it's likely the whole ToS situation has probably been overblown. To me it seems far more likely that a few people who were toxic jerks but swear they weren't got justifiable bans for "just trying to help" and then started complaining about the ToS which led to a chilling effect. Maybe the moderation team is completely inept but I find it hard to believe that someone would get sanctioned for legitimately being helpful even if the recipient of the advice took it the wrong way.

Once again, though, no personal experience with this. I just know that when I have tried to actually communicate in game and be helpful (or to ask for help myself) I've never had any issues.

i dont think the ToS is the problem. I know a friend of mine who got banned for retaliating against insults but besides that i always thought that unless you got concrete evidence since you have to speak with a moderator it would be like crying wolf and you might actually be punished in return

[Driavna]

Not saying you're wrong at all as I don't have any info/experience to say otherwise, but my personal take is it's likely the whole ToS situation has probably been overblown. To me it seems far more likely that a few people who were toxic jerks but swear they weren't got justifiable bans for "just trying to help" and then started complaining about the ToS which led to a chilling effect. Maybe the moderation team is completely inept but I find it hard to believe that someone would get sanctioned for legitimately being helpful even if the recipient of the advice took it the wrong way.

Once again, though, no personal experience with this. I just know that when I have tried to actually communicate in game and be helpful (or to ask for help myself) I've never had any issues.

I also never had any issue, here or in any other multiplayer game I played. Mostly, because I follow the rules and behave as I'm expected too (even if I consider said rules overreaching).

Still, allow me to use an example:

Saying: "If you are using single target combat when three or more enemies are available, you are doing it wrong. Use your AoE combo instead" According to this: "Expressions that compel a playing style" is an "Offensive expression". If reported, that account will be sanctioned by a GM.

Sure, is a blunt way to say it and can be worded better, but that's exactly my point. New TOS force anyone to be extremely careful with how they word anything, just in case someone feels offended.

Another two examples I will like to use are:

A) In an extreme trial, a player is doing very low DPS. Another one said this: "Your DPS is trash dude. How can you be so bad at this game? You are a ..... of ...." After that, our low DPS player is kicked from the party.

B) Same scenario, but this time the player said this: "X I'm afraid your DPS is way to low for this. None of us are good enough to compensate for it." Then, this same player gives helpful tips, like how to quickly improve his gear or pointing him towards good information about his class rotation, before removing our low DPS member from the party.

Example A is a dick and a GM will pay him a visit in any game I played. However, B is only a problem in FFXIV.

We also could go into detail about how vague all rules are and the ever-present: "...offensive to another person" is.