Yoshi-P Sanpo comments re: Bard

[Eloah]

adjusting armys paeon so cutting it short isn't desired would only mean you would cut mages ballad short instead. Only way to really make you "want" a 90 second rotation with the songs would be if the recast cooldown on them were 90s each, but that would
a)be a straight up nerf even with perfect gameplay
b)punish accidental cutting of other songs even harder than it allready does

How does adjusting things so that cutting Armys Paean isn't desired, translate into a desire in cutting Mages Ballad. The main reason for the cutting isnt the songs CD, it's the affect. Armys Paean has the least desired affect so it gets clipped. SE would need to adjust things so that players want their song to play out for the full duration. The 80s CD is just a way to ensure that a song is always available when cycling through the songs.

[Akiudo]

How does adjusting things so that cutting Armys Paean isn't desired, translate into a desire in cutting Mages Ballad. The main reason for the cutting isnt the songs CD, it's the affect. Armys Paean has the least desired affect so it gets clipped. SE would need to adjust things so that players want their song to play out for the full duration. The 80s CD is just a way to ensure that a song is always available when cycling through the songs.

you gave the reason yourself, the problem isn't the cooldown, its the effect. one song will allways be the weakest, unless all 3 are identical thats inevitable so if you make the effect of armys better so it isn't the worst song anymore something else (mages ballad in that case) will be the worst song instead and you would cut that.

the only real way to get away from that is to literally force you to use all three songs for their full duration, in that case they could aswell turn their cooldown up to 90s and be done with it, that would be a nerf though, buffing armys paeon so its better than mages would indeed be a buff, it would however simply shift the problem to the next weakest song.

[Eloah]

you gave the reason yourself, the problem isn't the cooldown, its the effect. one song will allways be the weakest, unless all 3 are identical thats inevitable so if you make the effect of armys better so it isn't the worst song anymore something else (mages ballad in that case) will be the worst song instead and you would cut that.

the only real way to get away from that is to literally force you to use all three songs for their full duration, in that case they could aswell turn their cooldown up to 90s and be done with it, that would be a nerf though, buffing armys paeon so its better than mages would indeed be a buff, it would however simply shift the problem to the next weakest song.

That does make sense in theory, but it would also depend on what possible changes are done to Armys Paean. Ideally, SE would adjust things so that there are two song rotations, one for AoE and one for single target. That way the song that is "weakest" changes. It's a conundrum, as you have indicated, because you dont want to shift the weakest song. Maybe shifting the additional effects that the party receives is a possible solution. If Armys Paean has the strongest party effect, it would warrant the full 30 seconds.

[Vogue]

How does adjusting things so that cutting Armys Paean isn't desired, translate into a desire in cutting Mages Ballad. The main reason for the cutting isnt the songs CD, it's the affect. Armys Paean has the least desired affect so it gets clipped. SE would need to adjust things so that players want their song to play out for the full duration. The 80s CD is just a way to ensure that a song is always available when cycling through the songs.

I agree with this, having a tight cooldown rotation for the songs can be bad and stressful. The 80s gives a room to clip songs shorter (normally Army's Paean) if needed to avoid having to pay attention to the song timer while doing complex mechanics, or to lineup songs with party buffs burst times. If there was no extra time, then clipping any song would mean songless periods.