Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Rilifane]

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That reminds me of my first E3 normal run. I had never done normal raids in the previous expansions, just played through the story basically.
So I did e1 and e2 with e1 being a nightmare because people kept killing each other and it was my first time, I was healer and always felt like I couldn't get the situation under control at all. E2 was better.
So when I zoned in for E3 I told them that I hadn't done this before and if we split somewhat evenly for platform split for better heal range and more space and the reactions were (almost word for word):
"lol this isn't savage"
"oof someone wants to optimize normal XDD"
"oh my god who cares? just do whatever lol"
And (my favourite) "elitism much? Ppl even tryhard normals now"

I don't know if they managed to miss the "I'm new to this fight" or if they just saw someone so much as mentioning something like a strategy and immediately got triggered but it was a disheartening experience either way.
After the complete chaos in e1 I wanted to avoid something like that and simply asked how they go about it. A simple "not necessary in normal" or "not necessary but you can an take left, I take right platform" would've been great. Instead they chose to make fun about "tryhard questions" and "optimizing normal".

And 5min for Ultima? Were they all auto attacking? Because that thing is usually dead shortly after immunity falls off. Everyone has all their cool downs ready, all that's left is whack it.

[TeraRamis]

That reminds me of my first E3 normal run. I had never done normal raids in the previous expansions, just played through the story basically.
So I did e1 and e2 with e1 being a nightmare because people kept killing each other and it was my first time, I was healer and always felt like I couldn't get the situation under control at all. E2 was better.
So when I zoned in for E3 I told them that I hadn't done this before and if we split somewhat evenly for platform split for better heal range and more space and the reactions were (almost word for word):
"lol this isn't savage"
"oof someone wants to optimize normal XDD"
"oh my god who cares? just do whatever lol"
And (my favourite) "elitism much? Ppl even tryhard normals now"

I don't know if they managed to miss the "I'm new to this fight" or if they just saw someone so much as mentioning something like a strategy and immediately got triggered but it was a disheartening experience either way.
After the complete chaos in e1 I wanted to avoid something like that and simply asked how they go about it. A simple "not necessary in normal" or "not necessary but you can an take left, I take right platform" would've been great. Instead they chose to make fun about "tryhard questions" and "optimizing normal".

And 5min for Ultima? Were they all auto attacking? Because that thing is usually dead shortly after immunity falls off. Everyone has all their cool downs ready, all that's left is whack it.

I don't know what they were doing. All I know is it instantly devolved into someone acting like a victim (as if I had singled them out specifically, rather than just saying "wow, this DPS is bad"), and several more piling on.

My feelings on "taking things too seriously" is this: the two MSQ instances suck. The ONLY way they are made tolerable, day after day, is to try to spend as little time there as possible. So, you minimize or walk away during the cutscenes, and you smash the bejezus out of the bosses. Intentionally, willfully, lengthening those dungeons isn't just counterproductive - it's infuriating (because, let's be frank here - nobody is having any fun there to begin with). And when the victimhood complex kicks in after being told to pick it up, I feel more than justified in losing it a little.

[Frizze]

I don't know what they were doing. All I know is it instantly devolved into someone acting like a victim (as if I had singled them out specifically, rather than just saying "wow, this DPS is bad"), and several more piling on.

My feelings on "taking things too seriously" is this: the two MSQ instances suck. The ONLY way they are made tolerable, day after day, is to try to spend as little time there as possible. So, you minimize or walk away during the cutscenes, and you smash the bejezus out of the bosses. Intentionally, willfully, lengthening those dungeons isn't just counterproductive - it's infuriating (because, let's be frank here - nobody is having any fun there to begin with). And when the victimhood complex kicks in after being told to pick it up, I feel more than justified in losing it a little.

This is exactly why i hope they do eventually delete the MSQ roulette. Ive heard(but not bothered to source) the rumor that it wont be changed in 5.3, and thats a shame since it would have been the perfect time(with the rest of the ARR revamp) to do it. The roulette is nothing but a complaint factory. People dropping if they dont get the right one, people AFKing and expecting a carry, people being mad for taking it too seriously/not seriously enough. The roulette needs to go away(solo instance with NPCs would work just fine for story). Id also fix the alliance roulette. Id make LotA/Syrcus give 1/8-1/4 the current exp(and id cut it further if people continued to cheat ilvl - go to 0 exp if thats what it takes to fix this!), WoD/Ark give something like 3/4 or maybe actual current, Mhach/Dun/Raba give 1.25 current, and Lighthouse/Orbonne give 1.5-1.75 current exp(if you wanted to argue for Dun to be in the highest category id be fine with that too). Is there anything else that requires basically no effort and rewards way too much exp? Delete those too.

Anyway, for now my advice is the same as always. If you dont enjoy it, dont do it. I understand people love to get their easy massive exp, but that doesnt mean you have to do it. Level up a little slower without driving yourself mad. Its worth it.

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

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Honestly another reason I've stopped trying to MT Alliance raids outside of absolutely having to, is that I can focus on actually doing the jobs other tanks have in most raids.

So, so, SO many times I've seen tanks be too focused on their ridiculous aggro war that they let adds run around killing people, tethering, exploding, whatever. It feels like if I go on tank to Alliance roulette, I'm better served actually focusing on what little there is for OTs to do just so people don't freaking die due to stupid epeen swinging.

I've come to the unfortunate conclusion that this community is a turd masquerading as an evolved sanctuary - the self righteousness has become insufferable. The moment someone in FFXIV says something even remotely critical, out comes the inevitable "LOL, LOOK AT THE TRYHARD."

Do people not understand how obnoxious it is to revel in incompetence?

Yeah, after being here more or less since 2.0 started up, I've seen the community of the game go on a rapid decline to babying crappy players and getting defensive over even being remotely asked to show some basic competence at their job so they aren't wasting the time of other players. You know, because this is a cooperative game and not a single player.

A few pages ago I mentioned people getting tilted about being told the Cleansing Strike on TGC is able to be solo healed. Full story is: Party A was down a healer and come time for Cleansing Strike, most of the group wiped. When someone asked what happened, they ofc blamed the fact they only had one healer... their one healer was an AST. SCH? SCH may have trouble solo healing it (though it's possible to do, seen it before), but AST shouldn't have a whole lot of problems with Lightspeed + Earthly Star + Aspected and regular Helios.

I didn't say anything more than "Cleansing Strike can be solo healed". Didn't say "If you were decent you could solo heal it", didn't say "Wow you can't even solo heal that?" Just... "it can be solo healed." The entire party bursts out in "lololol sure", "okay buddy", "just use Second Wind 4head" and etc.

Only once people responded to an innocuous statement with defensive baby whining did I specify a good healer can solo heal it. They just went nuts the entire adds phase, only to finally shut up once we wiped (gee, maybe if y'all would actually do your jobs instead of whining about someone implying you were incompetent, we wouldn't have wiped).

They get a second healer around the time the Alliance returns to TGC, it's all quiet and we're doing decent again - though it's clear A is just filled with idiots to begin with. A lot of them die during Ultima, both her first and second phase. But overall Ultima is easy to take down, and we're all rolling for loot. Then. Then. It starts up again. A jab of, "A GOOD god could kill the WoL. A GOOD god might be able to do the impossible!" and other nonsense.

All I said was "Wow, someone's tilted." Like are you that sensitive over having your incompetence pointed out that you're gonna get mad about it all over again after the end boss is dead with no wipes? Even other people in the Alliance told them to step off it, but they just kept going the whole time we were waiting for people to roll on loot. I have never seen people act like such freaking babies except in this game. Nor so many people defend acting like babies and defending poor play and defending wasting other people's time through incompetence.

I don't know what happened over the years, but it really didn't used to be like this back in 2.0 and 3.0. Or at least not as severely noticeable as it is now.

[Yue_Amariyo]

It is on the tooltip. How much more do you want?

link to the patch notes would have been nice, if you going to make claims on a forum providing a source helps. Leads to less misunderstandings, or making the person having to google it which can be pita.

[Kuroka]

I don't know what happened over the years, but it really didn't used to be like this back in 2.0 and 3.0. Or at least not as severely noticeable as it is now.

While many might disagree on that, i gotta say even if im just in since 3.0, it feels the same. Sure its a matter of luck too and due discord etc being even more used now I guess many nice ppl just stick together more but still.... >_>

[Yue_Amariyo]

Honestly, you seem more like the troll here...

How am i trolling by asking for people making claims, to link sources. That should be normal, stuff i looked up was out of date, how is that my fault?

[Morningstar1337]

Id also fix the alliance roulette. Id make LotA/Syrcus give 1/8-1/4 the current exp(and id cut it further if people continued to cheat ilvl - go to 0 exp if thats what it takes to fix this!), WoD/Ark give something like 3/4 or maybe actual current, Mhach/Dun/Raba give 1.25 current, and Lighthouse/Orbonne give 1.5-1.75 current exp(if you wanted to argue for Dun to be in the highest category id be fine with that too). Is there anything else that requires basically no effort and rewards way too much exp? Delete those too.

I'd rather go about it in a way that doesn't encourage turning CT into the next Castrum Meridianum where people will leave at the start because it doesn't yield the most exp and where people will leave everything else because CT yields the most tomes for no effort (which is the OTHER reason why people run the alliance raids).

As such I would instead have LOTA/Sycrus to be fixed at a i110 cap for LOTA, i130 for the other two, or go further and have the cap be the ilevel of the gear (i90, i110, i130 respectively). and have that follow up for Void, Mhach, Rabinastre, Ridorana, and Factory (once the other two Nier raids are released)

Relatedly, i would remove the 4-man trials from Leveling roulette and place them somewhere else (I'm thinking guildhests :P), as they also offer a dismal amount of EXP and the time saved is pointless if you have to reach a specific level anyway, but they are less frequent then Castrum (which tends to happen on something as binary as that roulette) or LOTA/Sycrus (which is the major issue here).

[Mhaeric]

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Learn to accept answers gracefully and without getting defensive about not knowing stuff. You didn't know something. People provided an answer. You didn't believe it. People provided links and evidence. The normal response at that point would have been, "Thanks, learn something new every day." Your response was "Well, you should have provided those the first time around." Move on.

[Quintessa]

The community can be hostile and have unreasonably high expectations of others, especially in a social setting.