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  1. #28071
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    Quintessa's Avatar
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    Saturn Vitrell
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    Dear Mr. War, I don't know how you were struggling to maintain aggro against a tank who wasn't using tank stance.
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    Last edited by Quintessa; 06-27-2020 at 05:12 AM. Reason: Changed post to something more relevant to the topic.

  2. #28072
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    Tyr Gowind
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    Diabolos
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    Paladin Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Quintessa View Post
    Dear Mr. War, I don't know how you were struggling to maintain aggro against a tank who wasn't using tank stance.
    I wonder that with any tank who struggles with aggro now (new players excluded).

    Especially at lv.80....
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  3. #28073
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    Avatre Drakone
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    Cactuar
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    Dancer Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Quintessa View Post
    Dear Mr. War, I don't know how you were struggling to maintain aggro against a tank who wasn't using tank stance.
    Quote Originally Posted by TyrTry View Post
    I wonder that with any tank who struggles with aggro now (new players excluded).

    Especially at lv.80....
    Depends on if the other tank belongs to the "use Prooke on cooldown" school.
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  4. #28074
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    Aduro Terrarum
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    Hyperion
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    Miner Lv 80
    I kept stealing agro from the tanks as Black Mage in my last World of Darkness roulette.
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  5. #28075
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    Tyr Gowind
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    Paladin Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by AduroT View Post
    I kept stealing agro from the tanks as Black Mage in my last World of Darkness roulette.
    I think that's been the BLM's MO since ARR.

    "Blitch! My aggro now! EXPLOSION!!!"
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  6. #28076
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    Mavrias's Avatar
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    Jyn Willowsong
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    Faerie
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Avatre View Post
    Depends on if the other tank belongs to the "use Prooke on cooldown" school.
    Even using provoke on cooldown, if the other tank isn't using stance, the main tank should be able to snap aggro right back. provoke without tank stance just gives you top enmity +1.
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  7. #28077
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    Anienai Talenca
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    Zalera
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    Gear broken? idk.
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    The price of solving everything is everything.
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    Roe, no question. Why be a kitten when you can be a goddess?

  8. #28078
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    Avatre Drakone
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mavrias View Post
    Even using provoke on cooldown, if the other tank isn't using stance, the main tank should be able to snap aggro right back. provoke without tank stance just gives you top enmity +1.
    It's more in regard to when running something like Alliance Roulette, and none of the other tanks have stance on, then when you pull you INSTANTLY lose aggro.
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  9. #28079
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    Mhaeric Llystrom
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    Balmung
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    Red Mage Lv 97
    Quote Originally Posted by Mavrias View Post
    Even using provoke on cooldown, if the other tank isn't using stance, the main tank should be able to snap aggro right back. provoke without tank stance just gives you top enmity +1.
    This only works perfectly if your cooldown is lined up with theirs, unfortunately. The enmity generation difference isn't so much that a single weaponskill will always snap it back depending on where you each are in the 1-2-3 rotation. This can result in a bit of ping pong until you get your second weaponskill off.

    As for tanks with enmity stance on, if you have to use Provoke for some legitimate reason, or just plain use it poorly by mistake, then you can end up being unsynced with another tank's cooldown and having to wait to Provoke it back. You can try waiting until they use it again before using your if they're the type that is literally using it on cooldown, but this doesn't work if they use it only to grab hate back when they lose it. And if both tanks are doing it that throws another wrench into the mix unless you're extremely lucky and they're both using it on cooldown at the same time.

    I.e. in alliance raids if I want to be the MT I never use Provoke except to specifically and immediately grab hate back from a single tank that Provoked. Anything else and you're fighting a losing battle.
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    Last edited by Mhaeric; 06-27-2020 at 12:30 PM.

  10. #28080
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    Saturn Vitrell
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    Famfrit
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    Marauder Lv 18
    Quote Originally Posted by TyrTry View Post
    I wonder that with any tank who struggles with aggro now (new players excluded).

    Especially at lv.80....
    Context: Copied Factory, main tank went down, boss turned to me - turned tank stance on, War took it, I didn't feel like fighting for aggro(this happens a lot -.-), turned off tank stance. My enmity indicator never left from being an upside down red triangle, and this is me peppering some only-auto moments. Don't ask me how. That thing usually drops to yellow or green when I turn it off.

    I also found out I can't shirk tanks in other parties. Maybe SE should fix that at least for alliances.

    Edit: If I were to be fair, this could be a big indicator that his party had pretty poor DPS and I was out dpsing the 7 other people in it. x_X. That's actually scary.

    Edit: Reading these events again, I've come to the realization that I was one of the strongest players in the whole alliance..

    Stay tuned for more Copied Factory news at 11, as I'm spamming this to get my tank shoes.
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    Last edited by Quintessa; 06-27-2020 at 04:05 PM.

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