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    Quote Originally Posted by TwistedTea View Post
    This doesn't really work against botters. For example, the Balmung community has reported gathering botters who are at it 24/7 for months/years but to no avail.

    These botters have set the price of some mats, including those from timed nodes to less than 300 gil for more than 6 months at a time.

    Because for a bot even selling for 1 gil is profit as they have not invested time like a human player has.
    This isn't about trying to make things into a competition against the bots. This is about trying to get your items sold.

    You absolutely can get your items sold while competing against bots. You might not like the price but you can do it. I do it all the time for my FC with ores and lumbers that come back from submersible voyages. Bots have the MB flooded with their stacks of 99 listed at 150-250 gil each item. I list my stacks of 20-30 that came back from the voyages at 350-400 gil. Most of it is sold by the next day because there are players who want those smaller stacks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kes13a View Post
    a couple major problems with setting the same price. Falls apart when the RMT bots transfer over a boatload of items and sell for half or less of that price.

    Right now, the prices on Zalera of neo gear is just over what it costs to make for most of it. You can certainly stick with your "preferred price" but when there are 6 to 10 listings cheaper, no one is going to care if they are 0.1% undercutters...
    If their price is lower, someone's not matching their price. RMT bots are smarter than players, they're not going to undercut their own listings.

    Why are you even trying to compete in a dead market that's saturated with bots? Neo-Ishgardian is being purchased for 2 reasons at this point: glamour, or the player has hit level 80 but still isn't close to completing the MSQ. EdenVerse, Memoria EX, Allegory tomestones - all that gear is equal or better but doesn't cost anything to get but a little of the player's time, and people have had weeks to accumulate it. They don't need Neo-Ishgardian anymore.

    Just because something sells at a high price doesn't make it the most profitable. Frequency of sales has more impact. I can throw up a Neo-Ishgardian or Facet item at 120k on the MB and sell maybe one a week. Or I can make HQ Sunstone Rings to list for 15k each and sell 3 a day. Assuming I gather all my own materials instead of buying them from vendors and other players, that's 120k profit a week versus 315k.

    Fight with the bots and everyone else making Neo-Ishgard for that 120k profit if you want. I'll take my easy 315k profit and not have to worry about the bots. That's how my alts end up gillionaires before they finish the 2.0 MSQ. I don't make and sell the more expensive items. I sell the things players need at prices they're willing to pay when no one else is interested in selling at those prices.

    Know the market. Sell the things in demand that not enough other sellers are supplying. That's how you make gil.

    And yes, some players do skip over the 0.1% undercutters even if means scrolling down 6-10 listings. It's not every player but you can see the evidence of it in the sales history especially if you're one of the sellers checking back when it's time to relist what just sold.
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    Last edited by Jojoya; 06-20-2020 at 07:10 PM.