Healers who rescue pull tanks into mobs.

[TeraRamis]

↑ This 100%. Rescue is not an attempt at being rude or obnoxious. It's a show of confidence in the tank and party's abilities.

If your first response is to take it as a personal insult and try to grief the party by killing the healer, now that says a lot more about you than the Rescue says about them.

It's usurping another player's control of their character. It's about as obnoxious a thing as a person can do within the constraints of legal gameplay.

I drop group when someone does it to me.

[Lium]

It's usurping another player's control of their character. It's about as obnoxious a thing as a person can do within the constraints of legal gameplay.

I drop group when someone does it to me.

I had no idea that a) this was an issue and b) people felt that strongly about it. Like I said before, I've only used it once to pull in a BRD who was standing well out of heal range after a pretty big boss AoE. After reading this thread, I'm just gonna start letting people die if that happens again, because I for DAMN sure am not running over to you to heal. You need to run to me.

[Mirhd]

I had no idea that a) this was an issue and b) people felt that strongly about it. Like I said before, I've only used it once to pull in a BRD who was standing well out of heal range after a pretty big boss AoE. After reading this thread, I'm just gonna start letting people die if that happens again, because I for DAMN sure am not running over to you to heal. You need to run to me.

I assume the person was referring to healers using it to pull tanks into more groups.

It's obnoxious, frankly, and I don't do it. The ones in this thread defending such use with "it's what they're supposed to be doing/what it's used for", I do wonder what universe they live in, because that was never Rescue's intended use, full stop. That said: if someone wants a tank to pull big, ask them. If the tank doesn't feel comfortable/doesn't want to, shrug and move on.

The problem I have with rescue as a healer is the damn delay on it. It's just so sluggish, and sometimes when trying to save someone it just doesn't go through quickly enough and they die anyway. Rrrrgh... >_<

[Darkobra]

It's a bad idea. Being rescued disorients me; I may forget where my AoE buttons are for however long it takes for the healer to die.

I logged into the game to blacklist you just on this post alone. Why should a team die because of your shortcomings? Or because your feelings got hurt? Because that's what this entire thread is. I've NEVER seen a Rescue used for abuse. And to be honest, based on what you've been saying, I don't think you have either. You've seen it used properly to get you to do your job properly and THAT'S what you're struggling with.

You could have easily spoken to your party and told them you're not at that level to handle those mobs. Now you're talking about letting your team die and getting people banned? Instead of talking to your party on an alleged assault against your ego, you make an entire thread hoping to rally people to your side and get them to remove a skill that literally just offends you.

[Frosthaven]

I sort of get why rescue can be viewed negatively. Anything that removed direct decision-making from the player risks that viewpoint. I can actually respect that.

Having said that, rescue has been such a boon to me in speed / efficiency in game content.

Leveling my ast in potd I generally pull all the
mobs on the floor at once and aoe it down since I can do it solo if need be. When tanks are on the same page, and if their sprint is down I'll run ahead with long range dot pulls and give them the rescue to speed up positioning at the end. They all seem to commend me for it.

As a tank, I've been rescued a few times awhile back while leveling and being uncertain of my capacity. Didn't think anything of it, just took it to mean they wanted more mobs and I didn't mind. I don't use it myself in dungeons unless it'll save a life.

I can definitely see both sides, and if someone adamantly requests it not be used on them I'd probably just oblige rather than get into any heated debate. Personally, I love it's utility.

[Awha]

Well your use of the word leash makes it clear you are using it to force a playstyle which is harassment

Personally I rather just remove the tank instead of dragging them along like a dog. Though even in that context using it to speed a tank along would not be on my what is harrassment list.

[Gugnir]

Arms length is a thing @op

[Goji1639]

Arms length is a thing @op

Honestly I never even considered this... Does Arms Length really negate rescue?

I logged into the game to blacklist you just on this post alone. Why should a team die because of your shortcomings? Or because your feelings got hurt? Because that's what this entire thread is. I've NEVER seen a Rescue used for abuse. And to be honest, based on what you've been saying, I don't think you have either. You've seen it used properly to get you to do your job properly and THAT'S what you're struggling with.

You could have easily spoken to your party and told them you're not at that level to handle those mobs. Now you're talking about letting your team die and getting people banned? Instead of talking to your party on an alleged assault against your ego, you make an entire thread hoping to rally people to your side and get them to remove a skill that literally just offends you.

Oh no, Blacklist?! But we're still best friends right... Still gonna hang out?

Also, I wouldn't let the whole team die; just the healer. I will report people who intentionally do rude and inconsiderate things, though; but they'd probably only get banned if they had a history of being jerks, which they probably do.

Define intentionally do rude and inconsiderate things? How do you know that was their objective? Did they say as much? FFXIV GM's pretty much only take action if it is black and white.

I'd define yanking the tank away from his pull because you wanted him to pull your way as being intentionally rude. Instead of asking you decided to abruptly and unilaterally force his hand, using an ability that was intended as a rescue. It's worth reporting. Whether it will result in a ban probably depends on this healers history, but that's for the GMs to sort out.

Apparently I have a 1 post a day posting limit here.

[Awha]

Honestly I never even considered this... Does Arms Length really negate rescue?



Oh no, Blacklist?! But we're still best friends right... Still gonna hang out?

Also, I wouldn't let the whole team die; just the healer. I will report people who intentionally do rude and inconsiderate things, though; but they'd probably only get banned if they had a history of being jerks, which they probably do.

Define intentionally do rude and inconsiderate things? How do you know that was their objective? Did they say as much? FFXIV GM's pretty much only take action if it is black and white.

[Fynlar]

I'd still suggest taking the advice of either picking up a healer or finding a teammate who plays healer, so then maybe those made up statistics in your head will slightly be better.

Hi, I've played healer. Rescue still sucks.

The delays involved with its use usually mean it either won't pull someone to safety in time anyway (which usually just means you've screwed up their DPS) or, particularly if you use it while you're moving, it will not pull them to the location you think that it will, which can even result in situations where someone would have been safe anyway and you ended up inadvertently pulling them into an aoe.

About the only time I ever use it is immediately after someone's performed a LB3, because they have a tendency to take a big hit or die if I don't.

Honestly I never even considered this... Does Arms Length really negate rescue?

Swiftcast does, so I assume Arm's Length does too.

It's obviously still kind of ridiculous for someone to seriously suggest it as a means to try to guess when your healer will try to Rescue you and block it with that, though.