Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Enla]

Just had a WoD run where I got to see another 'provoke is part of my rotation' tank in action. Not only did they have their stance on, but they've provoke on cooldown while at the back of the boss, cleaving the entire party in almost every single fight. First boss? We limped across the finish line due to cleaves with 2/3rds of the Alliance dead. Second boss? He tried to MT but faced the dragon towards the party and nearly caused another potential wipe. Our party's tank had to voke and run the boss forward just to keep everyone from dying before trying to let the third alliance tank take over. To which the problem tank, you guessed it, voked and caused more problems. Did you know Cerberus can drop multiple juice puddles if enough people are dead and no one is in the gut? Me either, but I learned that today. We wiped at Cerberus and this time enough of the Alliance was fed up that we had to start yelling at the problem tank to at least do their job properly or let the third alliance tank take over after they, once again on the second pull, voked and faced the boss towards the party. Right before we Cerberus someone tried to convince the alliance with the problem tank, hilariously also the alliance that was assigned to go into the belly and didn't do their jobs, to kick them but nothing came of it. Which given the first wipe, makes me wonder if it was a premade.

Regardless we limped along through Cloud of Darkness, this time with both the other alliances awake and annoyed enough to do almost every mechanic perfectly in spite of the problem tank. Thankfully there's no way to twist that boss around and cleave people, else we might have gotten to see more forgotten mechanics ala Cerberus. Raid finished, comm'd our tank for at least trying to help and then left. Sad thing is that we actually did have someone give out helpful advice the entire time in Alliance chat, so I don't know if they were just ignoring it all or what but it was absolutely the most stressful CT raiding experience I've had in perhaps years.

[Anienai]

provoke is part of my rotation' tank in action.

I'm seeing this during my daily roulette trials. I just turn off stance and watch the boss channel their inner "Saurfang" at the group.

[Yue_Amariyo]

You can't compare a level 28 dungeon and a level 59 dungeon.

A newbie isnt just being low level player. You can be a newbie to a dungeon, role, job, from 1-80. a dungeon experience at level 15 is going to be similar at level 80. You are going to have a tank, healer and 2 dps who may be new or learning at some point. It could be the dungeon, their job, the role, anything. You got to remember anyone can by a jump potion. that level 80 may have been only playing 3 days for all you know.

Also, Im a new player to ff14, i have accumulated 4 days of play time, and have a 32 whm, 31 pld, 31 drg. I have dealt with new players flat out who flat out did not communicate, or listen to the group at all. You picked one line of my post, when my whole post was sharing my experiences. I even made a reference back to my story which took place in tam tara deepcroft. here is my experience since you over looked it:

New to ff14, but i got a story to tell.

Im trying to get gc seals and rank up in my grand company to be able to trade in gear. I main cnj/whm so far and ran leveling roulette, for in need bonus. I get tam tara deepcroft.

party is :
roe mrd
Auri rogue
viera machinist
and me the healer.

Tank did not put on his tank stance for the first few pulls, wasn't even pulling, just running up and hitting the mob with his ax. We are all begging him to turn it on. No reply. Im panicking as im not sure what to do, it was my first dungeon run with out my fc mates. I try to heal best i can. The tank refusing to do anything we politely ask of him as he was not doing his role at all. What boggles my mind was the fact the guy did do hall of novice as a tank. Which from my experience does go over role basics.

On a positive note, i did get learn how to vote dismiss people thanks to an FC mate. So next time this happens, i know what to do.

That was a hard run for me, and wasn't fun. I didn't know about the vote kick option, or would have used it.

I love how I reply to a comment about newbies being newbies in Haukke Manor, and everyone starts talking like I was talking about expert roulette, and higher level duns.

Haukke Manor is the fifth dungeon you get as a newbie (if you don't unlock Halatali before, which many newbies miss until later in). Sastasha, Tam tara and Copperbell are not even hard. Totorak raises the bar a bit, but not by much. So it's understandable they don't have much experience.

There are lots of players whose mother language is not English, they may not be used to seeing the chat, they may be on ps4 so they can't reply fast, this may be their first MMO experience, etc, etc. They may not even know all their skills names. The game does not a good job of explaining things, and the novice hall might easily be overlooked. I deal with newbies on a daily basis, rarely do I get one that does not listen when I calmy explain according to their level. I don't have 4005 commendations for nothing.

You cant speak for, or make excuses for other players.

Im a brand new player, I play on ps4 and joining an mmo after not playing one for 10 years. I recall being a 19 year old my first day logging in to ff11. Now once did i make excuses for me new-ness I learned from my mistakes, and was open for advice. Most players i played with where japanese, i learned how to use the auto-translate function.

also you claim the game does not explain itself well, from my experience it does. The game introduces you to stuff slowly as the story progresses, if you pay attention. There is also an active help guide, as well as hall of novice. You claim hall of novice can be over looked, no it cant. The current story takes you directly to it as well as the moment you hit level 15, every smith npc in the game with have a green icon above them, and on the mini map. You have to actively ignore it, and not pay attention to story dialog.

as for the ps4, any usb keyboard will work for it, and keyboards go for as low as $10 now a days.

Even if they cant type, they can read. you can look at the tool tips easy, you can read the party chat. You can also make text macro in advance, stating you are new, or do not speak english. New players need to have a willingness to learn. A lot, like myself, do and will ask questions, or consider advice. If the new player does not show a willingness to learn, they make the content harder for everyone. I have met a few new players who refuse to learn, and hey made healing/ tanking harder for me.

I was going to post this story in a separate post, but since you want to speak for other here it goes

I was tanking my first dungeon, It was sastasha, i was a gla just finished hall of novice. I forget the group comp as i did not stay in it long. I recall we had an arcanist, who had poor gear. They wore the viera race legs feet,and think hands. no belt, mish mash of melee acc, a level 5 hat and lvl 9 crafting top. I did not feel ok pulling big due to this but our healer kept trying to pressure me into it, by running ahead and pulling.

I asked him politely to stop that we have a player in low gear, and do not feel ok with pulling a lot. they ignored me and kept going. I stop and told him i asked nicely to stop, please stop. no one seem to care that we had an under geared player... I left shortly after as I am not skilled enough to carry a dps in such low gear. And i hate using the term carry. The healer tried to pick a fight with me, but too late I left.


Stuff like the above is why people become intolerant of new players, or players in general. People want to treat their group mates like npc, and try to make excuses to play poorly.

Lastly you having 4000+ commendation means nothing, it is not something to brag about. People will give others coms for any reason, or no reason at all. I am sitting on 30 coms simply because i queued up as a tank or healer. I got coms for having a conversation. You have yet to experience a bad player, count yourself lucky. Im just happy i have a great/ active fc so my experience with randoms is limited. But even in my limited time i ran into them.

tlrd: being new, playing on ps4, not speaking english, it being being your first mmo is not an excuse to play poorly, or ignore the group. that is what people are intolerant of.

[Mhaeric]

I'm still waiting for the day that healers in The Praetorium figure out that if you just don't do any healing during the first part of the first Ultima Weapon fight then you won't pull aggro. Damage, and thus enmity generation, is essentially nil during that part but your regen or heal or whatever has full strength. The moment you use even the tiniest healing ability you're going to have aggro until his 2 buffs drop.

That said, he also does essentially no damage so it doesn't matter. I do get a chuckle watching a healer run around in a panic with Ultima Weapon running behind them and/or the healer jumping up and down on top of the tank like they could actually do anything about it.

[Yue_Amariyo]

I sometimes pull with provoke on WAR since Overpower is a cone, it just makes it easier if the mobs are spaced out a bit when doing the initial pull. Typically Provoke into Overpower into Tomahawk as I am running to the next batch of enemies. It's VERY rare that I stop and use Mythril Tempest before moving to the second set. But as a DRK or PLD, I usually have enough range with the AoE to hit them all, and if not I Shield Lob/Unmend as needed. Will have to figure out what I will do with GNB(probably similar to PLD/DRK) when I start working on it's achievements.

correct me if im wrong but provoke does give enmity right, just puts you+1 on the mobs target list. asking because what i read vs tool tip is confusing.

[Mhaeric]

correct me if im wrong but provoke does give enmity right, just puts you+1 on the mobs target list. asking because what i read vs tool tip is confusing.

That's exactly correct although I think it's a little bit more than just +1 these days.

The skill to use on Warrior if you're pulling at range is called Tomahawk. That might have just been a skill name confusion on their part, though. Definitely don't pull with Provoke.

Edit: Tomahawk not Lob lol. Victim of my own name confusion with Shield Lob.

[Yue_Amariyo]

If the job is any job that wasnt WHM, RDM, SMN, BRD, PLD, NIN, then yes you'll be kicked during 75 era FFXI(pre SCH and COR). I remember having the displeasure of being stuck with crappy tanks for 8hrs because it takes just as long to find one. We all also had to consider that it could take an hour to get to the camp and oh good "fun" if we didnt have a puller. No one really wanted to risk it unless planets aligned a tank/popped up at moment, and hope thier search comment doesnt say they gotta go in an hour, or both are couples, meaning they arent gonna stay for no more than a few pulls. DDs(as we called them in FFXI) were super easy to replace.

Signed RDM75 that been through all that crap. Try to heal a NIN that cant keep Utsu up even with haste and leading to wipes and we can only disband because we can't replace and half the party had been lfg for 10h or more.

played ff11 from 2004-2010 lol. Ive been kicked as a rdm for not wanting to play healer. Most of that was me talking about myself. I was not fond of some of the ff11 metas, like making rdm heal, or ninja tank.

signed a lvl 80 rdm/ lvl 90 dnc/ lvl 80 mnk

[gumas]

was playing as DNC (female), got into party with another DNC (female) and AST (also female)

tank: "damn iam a isekai protagonist now?"


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[Yue_Amariyo]

That's exactly correct.

The skill to use on Warrior if you're pulling at range is called Lob. That might have just been a skill name confusion on their part, though. Definitely don't pull with Provoke.

only time i pulled with provoke is when I see a patrol mob coming to the party, but thanks for the tip.

[AduroT]

Why would you want to big pull in Satasha anyways? People don’t have good AoEs at that level do they?