Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Yue_Amariyo]

It all depends on how you said it. I feel people are really intolerant of newbies nowadays. Some newbies are terrified of being paired with other players and being judged for poor play, but they will eventually laugh at their silly mistakes.

I think there is a big difference to being new, and just out right failing to learn. Im new to the game, but i am willing to hear advice and improve. I ran into a tank (in my story) who just flat out ignored the party.

I heard from my fc mates their experiences and some new player are just abrasive. They just outright refuse listen to do their role. Heard from an fc mate about a tank in a lvl 59 dungeon who refused to really use AoE, when asked to aoe in groups... tank ignore the fc mate.


now a days the concept of mmo seems dead. People just want to play by themselves, and ignore others. I recall my time in ff11.. and if you didnt play your role, you was kicked. If you ignored the group you was kicked.

in my story, the other party members just shrug off the guys behavior.

I think the intolerance comes from the above, just people refusing to work as a team. And vets are just tired of dealing with it. My experience was frustrating, im still learning how to play myself, and my role is very dependent on the tank doing theirs.

[Raltar]

It all depends on how you said it. I feel people are really intolerant of newbies nowadays. Some newbies are terrified of being paired with other players and being judged for poor play, but they will eventually laugh at their silly mistakes.

I give people the benefit of the doubt normally in leveling roulette. But not in expert dungeons.

[Esmoire]

So four of my DPS died to the goblin mercenary on Hidden Gorge. Like, most of them within five seconds of the first. Not even being impeded by an enemy; only thing there from the enemy was an AST. I was a WHM and even healed one of them but they died way too fast for me to have any recourse.

I mean, okay, the thing with the red circle = PAOE, green = donut, is not intuitive, so if you mess that up I can get that. But stuff like the rotating attack? I don't know... from the moment I saw that in Ghimlyt Dark I thought it was intuitive enough.

Just remarkably strange to see so many people die to relatively harmless AI in a PvP mode.

[einschwartz]

It all depends on how you said it. I feel people are really intolerant of newbies nowadays. Some newbies are terrified of being paired with other players and being judged for poor play, but they will eventually laugh at their silly mistakes.

Considering the amount of DF stories within over 20,000 pages of this thread, yes, I am aware that how we worded our sentence may come across differently to different people. In Japan DC, using auto translate is very common when trying to communicate with strangers in DF -- where we are unsure if the other person speaks the same language as we do. That what was used during that instance of my story. Unfortunately, there's only so much you can convey in chat using the said feature. If communication fails, another option we can do is adjust and try our best to finish the instance without any more unnecessary stress.

As for people being intolerant of newbies, I prefer to see it as the roulette puts you in the unlucky situation where you're grouped with such person. There are always bad apples within the thousands of players in a server. It's just a matter of you crossed path with them or not. In the Haukke Manor run, I was indeed frustrated when the Whm went back to cast Medica on tank. Only because of that fleeting moment of joy where I thought our healer finally understood what Cure spell is for. ;_;

[PharisHanasaki]

I think there is a big difference to being new, and just out right failing to learn. Im new to the game, but i am willing to hear advice and improve. I ran into a tank (in my story) who just flat out ignored the party.

I heard from my fc mates their experiences and some new player are just abrasive. They just outright refuse listen to do their role. Heard from an fc mate about a tank in a lvl 59 dungeon who refused to really use AoE, when asked to aoe in groups... tank ignore the fc mate.


now a days the concept of mmo seems dead. People just want to play by themselves, and ignore others. I recall my time in ff11.. and if you didnt play your role, you was kicked. If you ignored the group you was kicked.

in my story, the other party members just shrug off the guys behavior.

I think the intolerance comes from the above, just people refusing to work as a team. And vets are just tired of dealing with it. My experience was frustrating, im still learning how to play myself, and my role is very dependent on the tank doing theirs.

You can't compare a level 28 dungeon and a level 59 dungeon.

[PharisHanasaki]

I give people the benefit of the doubt normally in leveling roulette. But not in expert dungeons.

Did I misread? I read Haukke Manor. Not expert roulette.

[PharisHanasaki]

I love how I reply to a comment about newbies being newbies in Haukke Manor, and everyone starts talking like I was talking about expert roulette, and higher level duns.

Haukke Manor is the fifth dungeon you get as a newbie (if you don't unlock Halatali before, which many newbies miss until later in). Sastasha, Tam tara and Copperbell are not even hard. Totorak raises the bar a bit, but not by much. So it's understandable they don't have much experience.

There are lots of players whose mother language is not English, they may not be used to seeing the chat, they may be on ps4 so they can't reply fast, this may be their first MMO experience, etc, etc. They may not even know all their skills names. The game does not a good job of explaining things, and the novice hall might easily be overlooked. I deal with newbies on a daily basis, rarely do I get one that does not listen when I calmy explain according to their level. I don't have 4005 commendations for nothing.

[Rasikko]

I think there is a big difference to being new, and just out right failing to learn. Im new to the game, but i am willing to hear advice and improve. I ran into a tank (in my story) who just flat out ignored the party.

I heard from my fc mates their experiences and some new player are just abrasive. They just outright refuse listen to do their role. Heard from an fc mate about a tank in a lvl 59 dungeon who refused to really use AoE, when asked to aoe in groups... tank ignore the fc mate.


now a days the concept of mmo seems dead. People just want to play by themselves, and ignore others. I recall my time in ff11.. and if you didnt play your role, you was kicked. If you ignored the group you was kicked.

in my story, the other party members just shrug off the guys behavior.

I think the intolerance comes from the above, just people refusing to work as a team. And vets are just tired of dealing with it. My experience was frustrating, im still learning how to play myself, and my role is very dependent on the tank doing theirs.

If the job is any job that wasnt WHM, RDM, SMN, BRD, PLD, NIN, then yes you'll be kicked during 75 era FFXI(pre SCH and COR). I remember having the displeasure of being stuck with crappy tanks for 8hrs because it takes just as long to find one. We all also had to consider that it could take an hour to get to the camp and oh good "fun" if we didnt have a puller. No one really wanted to risk it unless planets aligned a tank/popped up at moment, and hope thier search comment doesnt say they gotta go in an hour, or both are couples, meaning they arent gonna stay for no more than a few pulls. DDs(as we called them in FFXI) were super easy to replace.

Signed RDM75 that been through all that crap. Try to heal a NIN that cant keep Utsu up even with haste and leading to wipes and we can only disband because we can't replace and half the party had been lfg for 10h or more.

[Tlamila]

So four of my DPS died to the goblin mercenary on Hidden Gorge. Like, most of them within five seconds of the first. Not even being impeded by an enemy; only thing there from the enemy was an AST. I was a WHM and even healed one of them but they died way too fast for me to have any recourse.

I mean, okay, the thing with the red circle = PAOE, green = donut, is not intuitive, so if you mess that up I can get that. But stuff like the rotating attack? I don't know... from the moment I saw that in Ghimlyt Dark I thought it was intuitive enough.

Just remarkably strange to see so many people die to relatively harmless AI in a PvP mode.

I admit I sometimes get hit by hit, but it's not even one-shot and there are even potions, I usually solo it without too much problem (unless the other team arrives in full force), how the hell did so many people die from it?

[Mhaeric]

I love how I reply to a comment about newbies being newbies in Haukke Manor, and everyone starts talking like I was talking about expert roulette, and higher level duns.

They're replying to your statement on its own in the context of the general discussion. There's multiple recent posts about higher level content in the mix not to mention the general theme of this thread. They wouldn't even have had a reason to know you were talking about a specific dungeon unless you specifically quoted the part about Haukke Manor in your post, which you didn't. No one is going to link back to figure out which precise dungeon and/or post you might have been referring to given that your statement could apply to any of them. If you want to be precise about which content you were talking about then you should include that in your post, not just "snip."

tl'dr: their reply "I give people the benefit of the doubt normally in leveling roulette. But not in expert dungeons" was likely just a general statement in response to the sentiment of your post, not a specific reply to the situation you were replying to.