Why people still USE ACT knowing their breaking TOS ??

[Videra]

The main issue is giving assholes information to act on. A piece of software that tells these people exactly who in the group they should unload their dysfunctional personality disorder on only emboldens them.

I do kind of want to try out ACT, but I'm not even really sure how talking about it on the forums is received. I used to play WoW and used DPS meters a lot, but WoW actually supported mods. Are mods basically broken for weeks every time there's a patch in this game?

To be completely honest with you, if you do install ACT, you may come upon a new fear - that you're better than most of Crystal Datacenter. Maybe.

[Liam_Harper]

The main issue is giving assholes information to act on. A piece of software that tells these people exactly who in the group they should unload their dysfunctional personality disorder on only emboldens them.

There's also the flip side where having that information can help you against those same assholes. It's surprisingly rare that a player who plays perfectly is going to jump into a Normal mode pug and start waving numbers around and showing off. Very often that's the medicore guy who's compensating.

I still remember the time in WoW during a raid where one guy was hurling abuse over "low" dps and demanding kicks, so I linked the meters to him and told him to be quiet. He responded with "uh, I'm like twice as high as everyone else, see?". Then someone else quietly pointed out it was the "Damage Taken" meter because he'd stood in almost everything. Never seen a guy go quiet so fast...

[Mavrias]

Honestly having bad logs is not the end all be all deciding factor for most groups with sense. Most groups are not just looking the pretty number on your page. They're also looking at deaths, your rotation, cooldown usage, raid support usage, healing, GCD uptime etc. Your number is a culmination of a bunch of different factors. You can tell why someone got the percentile they got.

[Rilifane]

There's also the flip side where having that information can help you against those same assholes. It's surprisingly rare that a player who plays perfectly is going to jump into a Normal mode pug and start waving numbers around and showing off. Very often that's the medicore guy who's compensating.

I still remember the time in WoW during a raid where one guy was hurling abuse over "low" dps and demanding kicks, so I linked the meters to him and told him to be quiet. He responded with "uh, I'm like twice as high as everyone else, see?". Then someone else quietly pointed out it was the "Damage Taken" meter because he'd stood in almost everything. Never seen a guy go quiet so fast...

That's yet another issue I have with not having an official parser. You have zero options to defend players against accusations. If someone blames enrage wipes on anyone not doing enough dps all you can say is pretty much "I'm sure that's not the case, rotations looks fine from what I see". But you can't prove it. The moment you do, you risk a report because wether it was in defense of someone or not, openly admitting that you parse is a risk.
So right now the best way is to just kick said person without saying anything.
I had a recent reclear party where we repeatedly wiped on enrage and two of the tanks started to blame the healers for being "afk healers" and not doing enough dps. Sure, their dps wasn't stellar but it was completely fine. The problem was that the tank himself barely scratched 5k and one of the dps was really low aswell. Add a mistake or two resulting in a death and you have an enrage wipe. But none of us could say anything specific and we simply ended up kicking both the tank and the dps who lagged behind.
I would've killed for something to shut this guy up...
The good players are rarely the assholes. For the most part they try their best to help people who are willing to listen and are often the most patient ones of the group. They have cleared the content, they have their gear, they know what to do and only do reclears for fun or because they're in the mood to help.

Silently kicking someone might get the job done but there enough people who are insecure about their performance although they're doing fine. Having someone be able to stand up for them without inviting a report from doing so would go a long way. And pushing some people from their high horses while you're at it? Priceless.

[KageTokage]

Honestly having bad logs is not the end all be all deciding factor for most groups with sense. Most groups are not just looking the pretty number on your page. They're also looking at deaths, your rotation, cooldown usage, raid support usage, healing, GCD uptime etc. Your number is a culmination of a bunch of different factors. You can tell why someone got the percentile they got.

I think the main issue I have with the whole percentile system is that it's easily skewed by factors like people not logging all of their parses, either due to not actively using ACT or wanting themselves to look better then they actually are by only uploading their best parses (I've seen people joking that "anyone can get orange" because of this).

[SamRF]

I think the main issue I have with the whole percentile system is that it's easily skewed by factors like people not logging all of their parses, either due to not actively using ACT or wanting themselves to look better then they actually are by only uploading their best parses (I've seen people joking that "anyone can get orange" because of this).

Don't you just need 1 person per party to upload the log for the whole party to be registered? Pretty sure most parties in high-end content will have at least 1 person who will log so the actual percentile won't be that much off I think.

[GeminiReed]

To be completely honest with you, if you do install ACT, you may come upon a new fear - that you're better than most of Crystal Datacenter. Maybe.

Unless things have really fallen off the rails in the last three or four weeks I've rarely had truly awful parties here. Yeah I've run into the less than great player that's made runs a tad more difficult but we've muddled through. I wouldn't know from a purely quantitative standpoint but bosses usually die within a reasonable amount of time IMO.

[KageTokage]

Don't you just need 1 person per party to upload the log for the whole party to be registered? Pretty sure most parties in high-end content will have at least 1 person who will log so the actual percentile won't be that much off I think.

Yes, though if you're playing with randoms there's no guarantees that all of your parses are getting logged, nor can you guarantee that people aren't going to be uploading runs where you performed horribly for one reason or another. Unsurprisingly, this often includes deaths caused by people trying to greed or tunneling and forgetting to do mechanics entirely due to being too focused on maximizing their own DPS.

A lot of people use ACT, but don't actually bother uploading anything.

It's a little irksome that you're basically forced to be in a static and to regularly upload parses if you want to maintain a high percentile and avoid being judged harshly by certain individuals (Though as someone previously stated, said people probably aren't even worth knowing /associating with anyways).

[Mhaeric]

A lot of people use ACT, but don't actually bother uploading anything.

Yes, this. ACT and FFlogs are separate things. FFlogs is intimately linked to ACT, but the reverse is not true at all. Heck, ACT is just a combat log application that isn't even FFXIV specific.

[KDSilver]

.. The good players are rarely the assholes. For the most part they try their best to help people who are willing to listen and are often the most patient ones of the group. They have cleared the content, they have their gear, they know what to do and only do reclears for fun or because they're in the mood to help.

"Rarely", indeed. I won't say this is a golden truth, cause every kind of people and behavior are in the nature but, based on my experience, I indeed have seen more "bad" player harrasing others without proofs than good player calling out the others.
Sadly.
It's even worse when you don't even need logs/ACT to proove your point but they're not willing to listen and are in denial.

And it's really frustrating you can't tell them with these said proofs that they are actually the one causing problem. Silence, kick and blacklist is the only way.