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    Wyakin's Avatar
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    Wyakin Cade
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    Odin
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    Dragoon Lv 71

    MCH “tiny buff”

    I would like to make the suggestion that Wildfire is allowed to crit. It’s a 1200 potency attack that even with full raid buffs barely matches the 700pot DHcrit Drill. Please please SE make zero other changes and ruin MCH. Just allow WF to crit lots of love. Every machinist ever
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    Cassia Kaedhan
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    A little backstory from Stormblood first:
    Wildfire was a 60s cooldown, it used to work in a different way.
    Instead of cumulating potency, it was cumulating damage inflicted.

    In other words, every crits and DH would be taken in account, making it a "Critable cooldown".
    Due to the frequency and high damage of the wildfire phase, any critical hit would make a big difference.
    There was simply too much RNG in MCH.

    That's why Wildfire works this way. Most MCH welcomed these changes as the rotation already was revolving around Wildfire way too much.

    The real problem is that Wildfire lost what it made it interesting gameplay wise, the 3-2-3, the ammo...
    Well, that's gameplay wise. I'm not a math wizard but:

    Wildfire has the least impact on MCH DPS. It is about 3% to 3.5% of our total DPS. 450~550 of MCH DPS. The only weaker cast is Roller Dash, the Automaton Queen's gap closer.
    There is less than 10 casts every savage and on E8S, that's at most 7 casts.
    I believe current BiS raise around 27% chance of critical. You will definitely see cases where a MCH did not crit a single wildfire. You would also see the opposite.

    Your suggestion is to buff the MCH by giving it a random chance of dealing more damage on one ability. An ability that has little presence over a fight and little interactivity.
    It would not save the state of Wildfire, might even make it worse by adding a "If you're lucky enough...!" condition.

    A correct buff would be to halve its cooldown, it currently has really bad damages overrall, on top of being a boring cooldown to use.
    Another correct buff would be to make the detonation an AoE, often asked by the community, useless this tier but would definitely be a small buff in dungeon.
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    Last edited by CKNovel; 06-08-2020 at 07:47 AM.

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    Thanks for the story. I’ve played mch since 3.0. I just want wildfire to crit. Nothing more, especially not a bedtime story
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    And originally it was a 90s CD. FYI
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    And just because I can’t be bothered to edit replies. Mch doesn’t need a massive buff. The current wild fire is perfectly fine and hits from 60-80k depending raid buffs. That’s no crit, bass damage at 1200 potency. Allowing it to crit would only make it similar to dancers or ninjas and their high pot attack. Wildfire may be a small % of the mch overall dps. This is why making it crit would actually not be a huge dps gain or huge buff. In turn making the job perfect
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    Narumi Akiudo
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    Alpha
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    Bard Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Wyakin View Post
    And just because I can’t be bothered to edit replies. Mch doesn’t need a massive buff. The current wild fire is perfectly fine and hits from 60-80k depending raid buffs. That’s no crit, bass damage at 1200 potency. Allowing it to crit would only make it similar to dancers or ninjas and their high pot attack. Wildfire may be a small % of the mch overall dps. This is why making it crit would actually not be a huge dps gain or huge buff. In turn making the job perfect
    sorry but whats your end goal ? do you think mch should get a buff ? because in that case what you propose would be so tiny, adding the rng layer on top of it would seriously make it worthless, thats "margin of error" level of a buff, like yea obviously you could at worst break even but thats a level of buff you wouldn't even realize was there, making it pretty unnecessary.

    if on the other hand you don't really think mch needs any kind of buff than what is gained by doing what you proposed ?

    adding rng for rngs sake is completly unecessary and would help literally no one, you might aswell propose that we add another layer on top of crit+dh on every skill, lets call it "supercrit" and have a 10% chance of triggering on every dh+crit raising damage by another 20% if proccd just because
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    Jace Ossura
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    She just wants the numbers to be bigger.

    So we can just make it so the Wildfire scrolling number shows as a DCrit.

    99999 is less exciting than 99999!!
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    Mhaeric Llystrom
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    Red Mage Lv 97
    Quote Originally Posted by Akiudo View Post
    adding rng for rngs sake is completly unecessary and would help literally no one, you might aswell propose that we add another layer on top of crit+dh on every skill, lets call it "supercrit" and have a 10% chance of triggering on every dh+crit raising damage by another 20% if proccd just because
    supercrit, supercrit. She's supercritty!
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    Lynn Nuvestrahl
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    Machinist Lv 90
    I'd rather have them fix the ping dependent design.
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    Jira Dal'riata
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    Ultros
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    Bard Lv 100
    They massacred Wildfire in 5.0, and seeing everyone saying “they fixed MCH” on a job they never leveled bugs me in a odd way. A longer cooldown and less weapon skills to utilize, plus hindering speed if you use anything besides 2 skills is just bizarre to me. I usually stay quite on this manner since I’m definitely in a minority on this.
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