Why people still USE ACT knowing their breaking TOS ??

[Enla]

SE doesn't mind parsers at all, that's why. They mind parsers being used to HARASS people but parsers on their own have never bothered the developers of this game. Yoshi-P himself has admitted multiple times to watching World First clear streams where a parser was quite clearly shown on screen and he had no issue with it at all. So long as you keep quiet and don't try to brow beat people with their numbers or add them to a black list like what has happened within the Japanese community previously they honestly could not care less about ACT.

[KageTokage]

I think the thought is if they add it to the game, then it becomes required, and people cant escape it.

Not that I agree with people being dead weights, but it is what it is.

Technically, you can't even escape it now because if you raid people will be uploading parses with your data and people will be able to search for them even if you haven't actually signed up for FFLogs.

Which I why I think they seriously need to have an option to just go anonymous and have your name removed from all parses in general. The current situation sucks because it places pressure on people to parse themselves lest FFLogs be potentially painting a very inaccurate image of their performance due to only some of their fights being parsed.

[SpiralMask]

I think the thought is if they add it to the game, then it becomes required, and people cant escape it.

Not that I agree with people being dead weights, but it is what it is.

problem there is where the line is drawn between "deadweight" and simply "underperforming/underoptimized" depends on the person. so while many are reasonable, there's always gonna be folks who think that anything less than 100% is dead weight/sandbagging/ruining their prog etc etc, and then start being an idiot about it

@OP: there's some folks who use ACT as a reference for their own performance, such as seeing where and why their damage drops over a fight or how they might be underperforming compared to other possibly more experienced party members, and some raiders tend to use audio triggers to help shot-call for some of the tougher content (since all the info is already presented in game/logs this merely helps keep people from missing a queue or castbar during more hectic moments, etc)

[Billythepancake]

Technically, you can't even escape it now because if you raid people will be uploading parses with your data and people will be able to search for them even if you haven't actually signed up for FFLogs.

Which I why I think they seriously need to have an option to just go anonymous and have your name removed from all parses in general.

FFlogs does have that option though. You can argue that they should have it on by default, but, you can sign up for the site, confirm your character, and then you can choose to hide your logs so nobody but you can see them.

[Awha]

FFlogs does have that option though. You can argue that they should have it on by default, but, you can sign up for the site, confirm your character, and then you can choose to hide your logs so nobody but you can see them.

I do think if fflogs were opt in it would resolve many of the issues people have with it. Though I guess would would impact the quality of the data, and maybe even open people to more issues with getting groups in party finder. IDK though.

[KageTokage]

FFlogs does have that option though. You can argue that they should have it on by default, but, you can sign up for the site, confirm your character, and then you can choose to hide your logs so nobody but you can see them.

Yeah, but the problem with that is that people will dismiss as you as garbage regardless if you're hiding your parses, so you can't win either way. I've been kicked/called out for being "bad" due to my skewed FFLogs data and similarly criticized for blocking my parses after my first bad experience with some random moron saying I was terrible based off of my only parse for a particular fight I hadn't even cleared yet.

As the previous poster stated they need to allow people to just opt out of the system entirely and replace their name with something generic if they do, as opposed to blatantly telling potential critics that the player in question doesn't want them seeing their data.

[Rasikko]

It's mainly a thing to cover Square. So if you choose to download anything like that and there's technical issues or viruses, Square will simply tell you it's against their terms to even use them so your help will be next to nothing. I doubt they'll actually ban someone using them.

They can and did, they did it to one streamer and it caused a big fuss.

Edit: It was because the streamer used it to criticize someone and was rather nasty about it too.

[ForteNightshade]

Some people I know who use it (definitely not me because I would never break the rules...) ignore the TOS because it's a pointless rule and it's impossible to enforce.

The stated intention behind the rule was to prevent harassment. This it flawed because bullies will bully others whether they have third party tools to back them up or not. At the end of the day, ACT does nothing more than organize data that the game already gives you.

If SE truly wished to shut down damage meters they could change the game to not transmit combat number for other players. Only providing personal damage + healing, party casts, and enemy HP updates would have virtually no impact on gameplay and completely eliminate any possibility of making a functional damage meter. The fact they have chosen not to shows just how little they truly oppose parsing.


I'd be a huge fan if SE wants to implement their own in-game damage meter, though if it isn't fflogs compatible or have an integrated system with the same tools then I suspect it wouldn't be used extensively.

It isn't that they aren't opposed to parsing; Yoshida has made little secret he isn't a fan of them. They just know their raid scene is entirely dependent on them. As Billy noted, the day they ban parses or make it so ACT cannot track data, is the day the raid scene collapses.

They can and did, they did it to one streamer and it caused a big fuss.

Edit: It was because the streamer used it to criticize someone and was rather nasty about it too.

Actually, that streamer was only "caught" because he had his Twitch information in his character search. If it had not been for that, they never would have done a thing.

[Enla]

They can and did, they did it to one streamer and it caused a big fuss.

Edit: It was because the streamer used it to criticize someone and was rather nasty about it too.

That was also the straw that broke the camel's back, but not in regards to parsers. The person they were being nasty to had been on one of the Japanese player black-lists for awhile and that wasn't the first time people were apparently nasty towards them. And especially not the first time people have dragged someone through the mud on stream either. They ended up making that Streamer an example, and rightly so, but it was well in line with their bottom line in regards to parsers. What was odd about it is that it was one of the first bans they handed out for saying something on a stream as before the harassment had to happen in game in order to get their attention. However given how much of a problem those black lists happen to be it's really not surprising it happened.

[Billythepancake]

Yeah, but the problem with that is that people will dismiss as you as garbage regardless if you're hiding your parses, so you can't win either way. I've been kicked/called out for being "bad" due to my skewed FFLogs data and similarly criticized for blocking my parses after my first bad experience with some random moron saying I was terrible based off of my only parse for a particular fight I hadn't even cleared yet.

As the previous poster stated they need to allow people to just opt out of the system entirely and replace their name with something generic if they do, as opposed to blatantly telling potential critics that the player in question doesn't want them seeing their data.

Having a site for logs at all eliminates that possibility entirely. If you opted out of FFlogs entirely then people will think you're hiding something. The only solution to the problem you're bringing up is taking down the entire website, but, there's a myriad of reasons as to why that would be a terrible idea.