Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Morningstar1337]

Originally I didnt intend to share this story, but I have to admit that its still bugging me a bit, so might aswell get it off my chest, right?

I also have a GC story I'm reluctant to share (mostly because the issues with that run were my own doing and subsequently my undoing), but I also have a GC story where I noticed the healer was playing differently....as in "using Cure 1 instead of 2" differently (and no Esuna, I'm not sure if they proced because I didn't remember seeing a Cure II cast at all). We cleared but the run took longer than I hoped and it frustrated me for a while, It didn't help that we wound up wiping to the first boss twice (with the healer dying being the cause of the first wipe, but I've sinned too much to throw stones for that) and had to deal with adds on the second boss (which is why I mentioned the lack of Esuna)

[Averax]

Healer innovations for 2020: Use rescue to yeet a thunderstorm targeted dps over top of the chaotic strike target on Ramuh (normal trial version), if you yourself are not targeted by thunderstorm.

[KaleShibata]

But it isnt. A few minutes after the dungeon is over I get a tell from someone, lecturing me on how it really isnt nice to kick "newbies" and how I better not do that again. Turns out: Its the guild-leader of that BLM. My first instinct is to blacklist and report them - but then I'm curious, so alright, lets talk about this!
They actually turn out reasonable enough, but here is the reason this is still bugging me: That BLM wasnt a troll or a bot. It was genuinely a person not understanding what their AoE rotation is. Even worse: According to the person I spoke to, the guild had been trying to coach that BLM and everyone seemed to be aware that they were just plain bad. They must have gone through at least 50 dungeons (thats a rough estimate by me - estimating 10 dungeons per story per expansion and at least 2 weeks of expert roulette to get that chestpiece. Its probably on the very, very low side) to get that BLM to 80, the end of Shadowbringers and into that gear. And yet they failed to understand the basics of their job.
And somehow, despite being aware of the issue, their FC-leader felt comfortable to sent me this tell about how shitty it is to kick a "new player".
It got even more frustrating when I suggested that maybe the FC-leader could suggest to that BLM to run dungeons with Trust-NPCs instead if they are so unwilling (or uncapable?) to learn how to actually play their job - the response "Yeah, they dont want to do that, they'd rather do it with other people" - fine, if they want to play with other people, thats fair. But they shouldnt be surprised if the "other people" actually expect them to play properly.

You're not new anymore when you're level 80, wearing endgame gear and are running something thats called "expert roulette" - I'm well aware that you dont need to be an "expert" for that roulette, but knowing that Fire2 is a spell you should cast when there are more than 3 mobs also isnt "expert knowledge"...

Sorry. Rant over. Excuse the rambling.

the GC leader should not have bothered confronting you over the issue. its not like you bullied them to leave. you voted them out because it was slowing the run considerably and taxing the healer and tank trying to make up for a person who was not doing enough work. its fine if they want to go with other people, but anyone should realize you need to understand how to be effective at your role/job before joining in where the expectation is you don't slow everything down so much. but I imagine thats the first real time that blm has been kicked for a reason they don't quite seem to understand though or they likely wouldn't have mentioned it to the fc lead at all.

[PharisHanasaki]

But it isnt. A few minutes after the dungeon is over I get a tell from someone, lecturing me on how it really isnt nice to kick "newbies" and how I better not do that again. Turns out: Its the guild-leader of that BLM. My first instinct is to blacklist and report them - but then I'm curious, so alright, lets talk about this!

That is harrassment.
Also, I agree, they should be learning their rotation if they are becoming taxing on their group.
His leader is wrong in condoning such childish behavior (I do no wish to get better at my job)., and engaging in childish activities like sending you a tell.

I had a samurai in Amarout not using a single aoe except for Tenka Goken. I didn't kick him, but I did blacklisted him afterwards. I tried explaining to them, but they simply didn't care and said so. I mean it's fine if you want to play your way and not get better. But don't expect others to put up with you.

[SturmChurro]

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Can't grasp how to use aoe? Oh no no no...

[AduroT]

Good AoE rotations is probably my weakest point of playing Black Mage, but I can still hobble Something together.

[KageTokage]

On the subject of playing BLM, Ley Lines really make you start hating other players much more then you would on other classes and honestly makes me wonder if some people try to force you to move out of it on purpose as some kind of sick joke..

Had what would've been an otherwise deathless run of the Abadoned Factory get messed up by a tank who took my pretty little circle as a "Stand here" indicator while they were being targeted by the tank buster from the third boss despite being about 10 yards away from me or any other player initially. I thought they couldn't possibly be dumb enough to run specifically in my direction despite having the entire front half of the platform to work with, but I was wrong.

[Awha]

On the subject of playing BLM, Ley Lines really make you start hating other players much more then you would on other classes and honestly makes me wonder if some people try to force you to move out of it on purpose as some kind of sick joke..

Had what would've been an otherwise deathless run of the Abadoned Factory get messed up by a tank who took my pretty little circle as a "Stand here" indicator while they were being targeted by the tank buster from the third boss despite being about 10 yards away from me or any other player initially. I thought they couldn't possibly be dumb enough to run specifically in my direction despite having the entire front half of the platform to work with, but I was wrong.

I have to say I am guilty ofrunning towards BLM's Ley Lines if I know that their death or loss of damage in that moment will not cause a wipe, and I see the chance to do so towards the end of the run. It does bring a smile to my face.

[Vidu]

the GC leader should not have bothered confronting you over the issue. its not like you bullied them to leave. you voted them out because it was slowing the run considerably and taxing the healer and tank trying to make up for a person who was not doing enough work. its fine if they want to go with other people, but anyone should realize you need to understand how to be effective at your role/job before joining in where the expectation is you don't slow everything down so much. but I imagine thats the first real time that blm has been kicked for a reason they don't quite seem to understand though or they likely wouldn't have mentioned it to the fc lead at all.

The frustrating thing here is: As far as I can tell they did understand why they were kicked - apparently the thing that sparked that FC-leader to message me was a comment along the lines "They were really annoyed that I suck as BLM" (yes, so badly that we couldnt believe they were an actual, genuine player instead of a bot, troll or a third person who never played the game and just had the gamepad handed to them - I once ended up with a terrible healer in Antitower back when it was current content and it turned out that it was someones spouse "playing" while the actual person playing the game went off to do something else. The spouse was completly cluesless and only spammed Cure One, making it look like a bot to me).

Personally I can only hope that the BLM either improves or that people continue to remove them from their runs - personally I'd be ashamed to run a level80 dungeon with a job that I know I totally suck at. (Which is why I dont run them as BLM, for example - though even I would have managed better than they did. And if only because I know that AoE is a thing)

That is harrassment.
Also, I agree, they should be learning their rotation if they are becoming taxing on their group.
His leader is wrong in condoning such childish behavior (I do no wish to get better at my job)., and engaging in childish activities like sending you a tell.

I had a samurai in Amarout not using a single aoe except for Tenka Goken. I didn't kick him, but I did blacklisted him afterwards. I tried explaining to them, but they simply didn't care and said so. I mean it's fine if you want to play your way and not get better. But don't expect others to put up with you.

Yes, thats why I considered just reporting them - but I was to curious to hear their reasoning why a level 80 BLM, with Crystarium gear and relic in an expert roulette could be considered a new person whos still learning the basics of their job or in fact: The game, since they seemed not to understand what AoE is in general, not only in regards to their BLM rotation.

And I really dont get people like that samurai - and to an extend that BLM... how can you care so little about your fellow partymembers that you're imposing your subpar playstyle onto them knowing full well that it is subpar? Specially now that Trusts are a thing - if you want to play like you want, you can do that now without bothering other people. But then again dungeons with Trusts take longer than dungeons with other people and god forbid you need to put more effort in...!

[Liam_Harper]

They actually turn out reasonable enough, but here is the reason this is still bugging me: That BLM wasnt a troll or a bot. It was genuinely a person not understanding what their AoE rotation is. Even worse: According to the person I spoke to, the guild had been trying to coach that BLM and everyone seemed to be aware that they were just plain bad.

Must be trolling. I mean there's plain bad, but while far from optimal you could still boil it down to 3 buttons and do fairly decent aoe damage. Most likely it's just a resistance to even trying to learn to play, rather than an inability.