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  1. #61
    Player Seraphor's Avatar
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    Seraphor Vhinasch
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    Zodiark
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Kleeya View Post
    If you do that people will start avoiding new players, perhaps even kicking them to let someone who did already see the cutscenes in, or harassing them because it will take more time to complete the instance, destroying what the main point of this roulette is : helping new players to see all of the dungeon without them feeling guilty for it.
    Also, if it did trigger skippable cutscenes, then they would have to halve the rewards again.
    You'd then get two camps of demanding players; those who want skippable cutscenes for a quick run, and those who want unskippable cutscenes for greater reward while they watch Netflix.
    Two entirely opposed uses for one roulette.
    If the instance loads with 6 or 7 players of one camp, then they'd likely harass the minority to comply with their method or leave.
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  2. #62
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    Aurelie Moonsong
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    Summoner Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaliesto View Post
    Personally wouldn't the more logical approach to the MSQ roulette is simply do a check to see if the players actually completed the scenario already?
    Aside of the issues already raised, the system has to be technically capable of offering the choice and playing one version or the other.

    Given that the unskippable auto-scrolling version now plays in the cutscene viewer as well, I don't think it's possible to change it. It seems they've had to change the way it plays at a deeper level than just in the dungeon itself.
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  3. #63
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    Aduro Terrarum
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    Hyperion
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    Miner Lv 80
    Just had a group of three, maybe a forth, who decided to skip all the scenes anyways. Man, that dungeon’s even more boring when its nothing but cutscenes with zero fighting once Nero shows up.
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  4. #64
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    Kiro Isamu
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    Zodiark
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    Marauder Lv 88
    Quote Originally Posted by Stepjam View Post
    I mean it's only faceroll gameplay now that you can get ironworks gear before even entering the damn dungeon. At launch it was apparently decently challenging for a normal difficulty dungeon. At least ultima weapon was
    I know. If there's a anything they could or should change is the difficulty at least. Make the sync harder and more difficult so it's no longer soloable by a healer at sync (and give greater reward for the effort).

    The thing is, if people go trough the "effort" of these long cutscene filled dungeons, it should at least be for a good cause, being a worthwhile experience for new players. As it stands now it's not a good experience for new player in many aspects yet still so much general gametime is wasted on these 2 duties. What I mean with that is that too much time is wasted in those dungeons instead of other ones, dividing the playerbase doing one of these dungeons instead of other instances that are much more enjoyable for both new and old players.
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    Last edited by SamRF; 05-24-2020 at 10:12 PM. Reason: structure

  5. #65
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    Drkdays's Avatar
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    Eternity Spellblade
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    Midgardsormr
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    Reaper Lv 100
    I just wish they let those groups with the achievement for doing it skip the scenes, and make kicking those who do not have it in a group impossible. That way at least not EVERY run takes an hour. Simple solution is simple.
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  6. #66
    Player Seraphor's Avatar
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    Seraphor Vhinasch
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drkdays View Post
    I just wish they let those groups with the achievement for doing it skip the scenes, and make kicking those who do not have it in a group impossible. That way at least not EVERY run takes an hour. Simple solution is simple.
    Once again, if they do this, then the rewards will be halved.
    The rewards are supposed to reflect the time investment.

    If you halve the rewards when certain conditions (all players having already cleared it) are met, then you face backlash when you have players who want the higher rewards versus those who don't.
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  7. #67
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    TheMightyMollusk's Avatar
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    Iyami Galvayra
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    Cactuar
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    The ideal solution is to just kill the roulette entirely and turn the two dungeons into solo duties with trusts or GC squadrons. But that would take development time and resources away from new content.
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  8. #68
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    Midgardsormr
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphor View Post
    Once again, if they do this, then the rewards will be halved.
    The rewards are supposed to reflect the time investment.

    If you halve the rewards when certain conditions (all players having already cleared it) are met, then you face backlash when you have players who want the higher rewards versus those who don't.
    or they can just fix the rewards for these two dungeons. They're already in a category by themselves. And they used to be skippable, so it wouldbe a modified change back.
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  9. #69
    Player Seraphor's Avatar
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    Seraphor Vhinasch
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drkdays View Post
    or they can just fix the rewards for these two dungeons. They're already in a category by themselves. And they used to be skippable, so it wouldbe a modified change back.
    Fix them to half of what they are now?
    Then when you get a newbie, everyone will be forced to play for the full duration at half of the current rewards?
    So... they'd just leave and eat the penalty.
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  10. #70
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    Y'sira Kurai
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    Halicarnassus
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    Conjurer Lv 100
    Main is optional you don't have to queue for it. They fixed it because people skipped cuts and new player didn't get to watch them. There is not going to be any voting mechanic. This is one of the more popular roulettes and the experience is more than worth the time.
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