Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[AnotherPerson]

I'm one of those healers who usually run leveling queue in need to help out with the lack of healers in Duty Finder. I also got a road to 70 buff and completed SB recently, so I figure I might as well just practice as a healer if I get those when queueing up for leveling queue. This easily pushes my AST to lv 80, but for lv 61 to 70 content I'm still learning how to most efficiently maximize my oGCD usage since I rarely get those in queue. So yeah, I'll just run leveling queue at lv 80 multiple times a day to help players out and practice in the dungeon when SB content is up.

So fastforward to today, I see a tank with full non-augmented Shire gear and I'm at Doma Castle. Tank's a sprout like me, but unlike me - only has WAR leveled up to 68. Other two DPS are with nomad/yanxian gear. Ninja is a mentor. Should be fine. We do the first pull and tank goes wall to wall right before the big guy that cleaves. I lay my Star down assuming the tank will drag the mobs there as they're running, but turns out they went to where the ninja was. Okay, fine. I'll accept that, it's my fault for placing my star too early. I throw my oGCDs and gravity up and tank HP starts fluctuating a lot. I pop essentially all my oGCDs and run down to half my mana with Lucid, Lightspeed, and Synastry on. Still clearable with my piety gear, but by no means am I going to use my oGCDs effectively here since I was already throwing out GCD heals left and right.
I ask the tank to please pull a bit less because I'm pretty sure I'm not going to keep up if I lose focus at some point. Tank says nothing and continues pulling big. A bit after the first boss, tank dies because I couldn't cast my heal up in time midway in the next wall large pull and tank burned out all their mitigations and went 90% to 0% before I got to ED them. That's on top of my regen stacks. I tried ressing them, but we all wiped and tank burned invuln after party's dead. After a smaller pull and the next boss later, tank has a decent amount of gear now since the treasure chests blessed tank with fending equipment, so everything was much smoother per pull. We kill the boss, everything's smooth. Ninja did his job well and I haven't seen big heals needed since he did mechanics and used LB at 2% so I commend him. Ninja says "Nice pulling, don't let this shite healer get you down." and leaves.

ouch

"wow that was mean lol" - tank
Yeah it was. Now I'm by no means a great healer, but I'm also trying to throw in my DPS whilst healing in order to kill mobs faster as this run alone proves how tank mitigation doesn't last long enough if everyone's dps isn't enough. If I'm not perfect and can't ask for a bit slower pace, I'm a shite healer. It's not a surprise why no one likes to play healer I guess. Pretty sure I'm not going to be running leveling queue for the sake of helping strangers anymore and just do it for my daily.

[SturmChurro]

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ouch

"wow that was mean lol" - tank
Yeah it was. Now I'm by no means a great healer, but I'm also trying to throw in my DPS whilst healing in order to kill mobs faster as this run alone proves how tank mitigation doesn't last long enough if everyone's dps isn't enough. If I'm not perfect and can't ask for a bit slower pace, I'm a shite healer. It's not a surprise why no one likes to play healer I guess. Pretty sure I'm not going to be running leveling queue for the sake of helping strangers anymore and just do it for my daily.

All you had to see was the mentor to know it was gonna be a bad run. The worst runs of Aurum Vale I had yesterday, were with mentors.. not even using tank stance.. Of course that mentor would also be the one to insult you too. Figures.

Agreed. You should only queue things like that if it benefits you, or somebody you know, rather than strangers. I think. Waste of time anyway past the daily.

[Vyrerus]

So a tank might have a hard time believing this

Uhm, actually, healers are also optional. Most classes and job compositions are guidelines for an easier time beating the content. There also all tank savage clear runs, going back as far as Coil. In most Savage fights, all healers can't do it, especially in the past due to the way accuracy used to work, but also due to running out of MP, particularly during 2.0~Heavensward.

As far as whatever you're considering 99% of the content to be, dungeons and anything lower than that can be done with x4 DPS, depending on the dungeon. It's more difficult now, due to the loss of Titan Egi as a makeshift tank, but it's still doable. I'll link you my Stormblood x4 DPS clears of Ala Mhigo up through Sunken Skalla. Could have done more too, but my friends were only up for so much of this hehe, cause it's significantly more difficult when you don't have heals or tanks. Parties consisting of all tanks breeze through any content the game has to offer.

Also, despite what my class states my main as here, I've played all roles through Savage raiding while current. I've done dungeons to completion without healers, without tanks, without DPS, when 90ks and ragequits occur. It just takes longer.

There's also the matter of deep dungeons, where tanks have a sizable advantage over healers, another place where healers are completely optional, though not unwelcome in a traditional setup. Despite what parses say these days, healers don't start outperforming tanks until 80 with the right gear, right team comps, and without another healer to heal battery for them while they minimally participate in the healing, if at all. This means when they are on their own, they can't do things like solo a deep dungeon. They lack the DPS necessary, due to not having the durability to withstand attacks at the deeper/higher floors. When every other global has to be a heal in order to live, and you are in a timed evolution, you either fail the dungeon or scrape through it by the skin of your teeth. I may be wrong, but the last time I looked, no healer has completed a Floor 200 solo dive of POTD, and very few, if any, have completed a Floor 100 HoH, whereas tanks of all types have HoH completion and in general have closer completion of POTD than any healer. /shrug

As for my Duty Finder tale. I did Snowcloak and Shiva today for my LP. The tank in Snowcloak was a Sprout Wiggler, couldn't sit still, but he did listen to me at the Yeti, so the Yeti was less painful than it could have been, but still took longer than it should have. I did get frustarted though, with Fenrir, he wouldn't stop wiggling and I missed my Chaos Thrust positional/got cleaved a few times. No wipes, no deaths either, just annoyance. He actually seemed to wiggle the boss more when I asked him to please stop.

[Vyrerus]

Ninja says "Nice pulling, don't let this shite healer get you down." and leaves.

ouch

"wow that was mean lol" - tank
Yeah it was. Now I'm by no means a great healer, but I'm also trying to throw in my DPS whilst healing in order to kill mobs faster as this run alone proves how tank mitigation doesn't last long enough if everyone's dps isn't enough. If I'm not perfect and can't ask for a bit slower pace, I'm a shite healer. It's not a surprise why no one likes to play healer I guess. Pretty sure I'm not going to be running leveling queue for the sake of helping strangers anymore and just do it for my daily.

Don't let that Ninja's idiotic comment get you down. If you're acknowledging that you placed your Star early, that alone tells me you're likely a great healer. Most people don't understand roles they don't play, so it's likely that the Ninja who made the comment doesn't understand Healer or Tank, and just has some weird pre-conceived notion about how each should be played. Asking to slow down is not a bad thing, don't be dissuaded from that type of communication.

[Frizze]

I'm actually starting to wonder if there is confusion between RUNNING ahead of the group vs PULLING for the group (based on what I read).

You should not be be forced to keep up with the tank's speed (or any other player's speed). That's ridiculous. If the tank stops every 3 seconds, I'm not standing around waiting on them. I'll simply move to the next destination until people are ready. I won't pull the mob, but I'm not going to keep the tank's pace because they demand it.

There actually have been a few tanks who came here(this thread) to complain about people running past them. Not pulling more, just having the gall to walk 3 steps further down the hall before stopping to do their moves on the enemies the tank pulled. But yeah, typically these complaints are about extra pulls.

Uhm, actually, healers are also optional...

Im aware of this, i was just responding to someone who didnt believe that a group could handle a single pack pull without a tank to hold their hand. The type of person who might think that saying "You pull it you tank it" to a healer(whom the dps would follow) is akin to a death sentence. And ive done a few of those 4-dps style dungeon runs for fun over the years. Good times.

[Rasikko]

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Nothing like drive by insults >_>

[FedoraTheExplorer]

Did some AV spamming yesterday for moogle event.

Got this very interestingly named tank. He pulls at the middle, doesn't turn tank stance on despite me reminding him about it in the chat. So mobs are munching our faces off but it's fine. He says "sorry about that". I mean I guess he forgot about his stance. Everyone makes mistakes. It's fine-

He runs right into the center. Pulls the everything. There's only so much I can do but unfortunately we wipe.

"Having a bad day".

I decide to check his gear. He's wearing level 1 rings. Sigh.

One of the DPS tells him to go left and pull little. Tank goes left, turns off tank stance and... Pulls everything again. Predictably, we wipe.

Now I've dealt with a lot of DF shenanigans before but this was too much even for me. I bite the 30min penalty. I'm sorry to the replacement healer, I hope the tank got his act together.

[Morningstar1337]

Well I managed to get the last few Fae Weapons for my glamor collection. One of my runs had the exact same comp as one the day before of BLM/SAM/GNB/WHM.

EDIT: thought this was the "what did you do today" thread, but I guesss its germane to this one as well.

[Rasikko]

There needs to be a big fat in all caps sign in the tool tip that says, TURNING OFF TANK STANCE WILL CAUSE ALL MOBS TO HATE OTHERS

[Rita1989]

Did some AV spamming yesterday for moogle event.

Got this very interestingly named tank. He pulls at the middle, doesn't turn tank stance on despite me reminding him about it in the chat. So mobs are munching our faces off but it's fine. He says "sorry about that". I mean I guess he forgot about his stance. Everyone makes mistakes. It's fine-

He runs right into the center. Pulls the everything. There's only so much I can do but unfortunately we wipe.

"Having a bad day".

I decide to check his gear. He's wearing level 1 rings. Sigh.

One of the DPS tells him to go left and pull little. Tank goes left, turns off tank stance and... Pulls everything again. Predictably, we wipe.

Now I've dealt with a lot of DF shenanigans before but this was too much even for me. I bite the 30min penalty. I'm sorry to the replacement healer, I hope the tank got his act together.

Why do people keep posting this accessories pre 50 do next to nothing like even if you have the BIS Aetherial Rings they give you like 100 hp