Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Claire_Pendragon]

BS /10char

maybe a dungeon somewhere prevents this, but in almost every dungeon, ive had a tank fail to tank 2 mobs beating on me. now, if those 2 mobs are stronger than normal, like the Pegasus looking statue enemies on the vault, then id understand, but 2 typical grunts wouldnt be a problem...
unless...
you mean the ability to pull just 2 mobs, instead of 3+, which is usually not possible, as they all link. (unless... you allow repose, then i can sleep mobs, as i fight them in lesser numbers)

[TheMightyMollusk]

Some conclusions from chatting in Praetorium:

-Nero hides hammers on the ceiling in his arena just to dramatically drop them. They are a terrible safety hazard for the technicians just trying to get to work. Gaius makes Nero write the letters home whenever some hapless tech gets smashed. Nero blames it on that accursed Garlond every time.
-Gaius didn't actually expect the party to get past Nero. He was napping. It takes him a couple of minutes to catch up and jump onto the elevator when he realizes you've passed him. His monologue is really just him trying to wake up and hoping that the Warrior of Light is too polite to just punt him off.
-Likewise, when he stops to throw off a threat before climbing into the Ultima Weapon, he's really trying to remember where he left his keys to start the damn thing. While he's pointing at the party with his gunblade, he's checking his pockets with the other hand.
-Lahabrea knows how pathetic his boss fight is. His speeches were in the hopes that you'd fall asleep out of boredom and make it easier for him.

[Cincierta]

To my fellow tanks I've encountered in AV:

-Just because your 'previous 5 parties did it' does not mean every single healer is a god-tier healer to carry your stupid cooldown-less self through a 'full first room pull' of AV. So please don't assume a random healer suddenly sprouted the ability to do a f*cking Vulcan mind meld to you.
-If you're going to mass pull, please make sure you actually press buttons. This means defensive cooldown usage. DEFENSIVE. COOLDOWN. USAGE. Not running around in f*cking circles like the headless chickens I oftentimes see.
-If you're going to mass pull, please make sure none of the mobs beeline to the healer or the rest of your party. If the healer dies because you were too tunnel-visioned on the mob in front of you, you will die. I'm hugging you as a healer for a reason to GET THIS CAT OFF MY BACK.
-Some of you know you have Arm's Length. Please watch your usage when your WHM is spamming Holy, otherwise you just wasted a cooldown.
-As AST, Essential Dignity can only save your ass every 40 seconds. I CAN'T SPAM THAT EVERY 5 SECONDS YOU FOOL.
-As SCH, Lustrate can only save your ass every 60 seconds when Aetherflow comes off cooldown.
-As WHM, I don't get Benediction and Lilies till after 50. Same thing with Medica II.
-As a healer overall, do not expect me to dps plus keep your dumb hide alive because you decided to just nom all the aoes like they were cookies. I will take whichever has more priority over the other, 99% of the time it's keeping your cooldown-less ass alive.

Sincerely,

Your disgruntled AST

[Frizze]

BS /10char

So a tank might have a hard time believing this, but for 99% of the content in this game you are optional. This is why you see meme runs of all healers or whatever clear everything up to savage level. A good tank is a boon unto the world, may all its blessings be upon him. A normal tank makes things easier for a group. A missing tank? That means the healer or a DPS take the hits. Ive cleared every dungeon through level 70(havent gotten all the ShB dungeons yet) at some point with a tank that disconnected without returning or quit. You typically do single pulls(though there are exceptions), and you spread the hate around a little if the healer is struggling. My defenses may be weaker then a CD-less tank, but you can bet your life that ill actually use my one cooldown to help the healer out(manaward is freaking amazing). As for a bad tank, theyre worse then a missing tank. They give the illusion that things will be easier without delivering.

New story to add to thread. Just did an Orbonne(i need moogle tomes and i never got a ramza mini - plus i loved the instance pre-nerf). There were a few new people based on achievements(and people just saying they were new). I enjoyed the guy who clearly played the ivalice games recognizing where we were and what we were fighting. The healers in two of the 3 groups were having a rough time, but thats nothing new. We ended up explaining a couple of the mechanics, but mostly just let the new people experience it as we went. Mustadios sniper mode got a few people, agrias was pretty clean. Cid... we almost got Cid first try. Half the alliance was down(i think the tether did it) when he did his second shadowblade move(including i believe all of group b), so the 6 blades spawned almost all in the same area. People tried to spread them out, but there wasnt time. So the 5 bleed stack got almost everyone else. Group C had 1 healer up, and just under an LB3. They did the "try to save the run" move. Heal, res, heal, heal, slow res, etc. By the time the second healer was up, LB3 was charged. Neither of them used it when they had the chance, and they both fell to autoattacks. No big deal. Pull number two. Almost all the moves were performed more smoothly on the second try. There are less deaths at every phase of the fight. He goes down shortly after Icewolf Burst. On to the final. Early phase is fairly standard. When she goes invuln and you have 30ish seconds of just dodging the 3 summons more then a few people were caught off guard(including me hit by the far pillar while i tried to type advice - i swear the angle was further north and i should have been fine but a death is a death). When the fighting paused all of B was down, almost all of C, and half of A. And they arent ressing. I point out we might still save this, and to res quickly. They get started. She talks for a lot longer then you think right there. Honestly, everyone should have been up by the time the DPS+Healing check starts. The problem was the shear number of dead, and that one RDM wasnt assisting while the other... Ok, i know im not an RDM expert. I have a basic idea of how the class works, but i havent even unlocked it played it or leveled it. One thing i do know, is you dont hard-cast res. If you need to res someone during a phase change, vercure dualcast res. Or swift res dual res if most of the alliance is down and we need a lot of people up asap. Well they managed to barely get enough people up to do the DPS check, the healers didnt lose it during the heal check, and the party was back on its feet for the final phase. Which was still a bit messy, but we managed. Rolled a 10 on the mini, so i still dont have it. While waiting on the last few rolls i asked in party check if i could offer the RDM "one small piece of advice". Once the last roll went off he left without answering. But im not taking that as a no. So for the red mage H.R. from Leviathan server who did an Orbonne Monestary just a little bit ago: Dont hard cast verraise. That 10 seconds is far too long. Use vercure or anything else to proc duel first, then raise.

[Fluffernuff]

So a tank might have a hard time believing this, but for 99% of the content in this game you are optional. This is why you see meme runs of all healers or whatever clear everything up to savage level. A good tank is a boon unto the world, may all its blessings be upon him. A normal tank makes things easier for a group. A missing tank? That means the healer or a DPS take the hits. Ive cleared every dungeon through level 70(havent gotten all the ShB dungeons yet) at some point with a tank that disconnected without returning or quit. You typically do single pulls(though there are exceptions), and you spread the hate around a little if the healer is struggling. My defenses may be weaker then a CD-less tank, but you can bet your life that ill actually use my one cooldown to help the healer out(manaward is freaking amazing). As for a bad tank, theyre worse then a missing tank. They give the illusion that things will be easier without delivering.

I get the sentiment with this, but to the dev team's credit..... if you step beyond roulettes, Tanks become increasingly more important. while we can call raider's "the 1%", it's not the same as 1% of content. The main issue I have with this mentality isn't tank pride or ego.... it's that it's the same mentality that basically tries to justify harassment. And then people wonder why no one wants to tank in DF, or why the great tanks blessing the world dont use it. of course no one wants to deal with being called "optional".

In the same content, DPS are "optional". In virtually all dungeons and alliance+normal raids, there are no enrage timers. and, while this might be hard to believe, there have actually been points in time where healers were "optional" as well. Right now in current dungeon content, PLD can survive dungeon bosses and smaller pulls without a healer. in the entirety of stormblood (to be specific, 4.05 onward), WAR could sacrifice their DPS and fell cleaves to have enough self healing to clear all dungeon content nearly solo. WAR was... slightly overpowered in stormblood

[KaleShibata]

For future reference the dungeon the Tycoon is fought is is named "The Twinning"

Spekaing of which I just got out of an 80 which I decided to use SCH for. Wiped on the first pulle due to not being used to the job atm resulting in mid sized pulls (which I'll take) but the reason I wanted to mention the run is because I want to ask if its a reasonable strategy to heal yourself though the DoT fields Quetzalcoatl casts to buy you more time to reach the boss? Because that's what I wound up doing with Aetherpact and Dawn.

I mean if you don't have the time to slip through the hole its a reasonable time saver. just be aware they will eat about a third of your health a tick, so it doesn't tickle. then again if you crit sheild yourself you'll just eat the tick and walk through just fine i imagine as long as the crit sheilds about a third or more of your health.

[TyrTry]

So a tank might have a hard time believing this, but for 99% of the content in this game you are optional. This is why you see meme runs of all healers or whatever clear everything up to savage level. A good tank is a boon unto the world, may all its blessings be upon him. A normal tank makes things easier for a group. A missing tank? That means the healer or a DPS take the hits. Ive cleared every dungeon through level 70(havent gotten all the ShB dungeons yet) at some point with a tank that disconnected without returning or quit. You typically do single pulls(though there are exceptions), and you spread the hate around a little if the healer is struggling. My defenses may be weaker then a CD-less tank, but you can bet your life that ill actually use my one cooldown to help the healer out(manaward is freaking amazing). As for a bad tank, theyre worse then a missing tank. They give the illusion that things will be easier without delivering.

Tanks are needed.

Bad tanks are not.

[Goji1639]

So a tank might have a hard time believing this, but for 99% of the content in this game you are optional. This is why you see meme runs of all healers or whatever clear everything up to savage level. A good tank is a boon unto the world, may all its blessings be upon him. A normal tank makes things easier for a group. A missing tank? That means the healer or a DPS take the hits. Ive cleared every dungeon through level 70(havent gotten all the ShB dungeons yet) at some point with a tank that disconnected without returning or quit. You typically do single pulls(though there are exceptions), and you spread the hate around a little if the healer is struggling. My defenses may be weaker then a CD-less tank, but you can bet your life that ill actually use my one cooldown to help the healer out(manaward is freaking amazing). As for a bad tank, theyre worse then a missing tank. They give the illusion that things will be easier without delivering.

I don't think I've ever seen a boss fight succeed if the tank was absent through most or all of it. I mean maybe a gag run of all healers can do most of the content by chain rezzing each other through tank busters, but in a standard roulette group setup I've never seen a group pull off any boss fight without a tank. I have seen several instances where the healer goes down immediately and a Paladin tank covers the healing to take out the boss; I've done it myself occasionally.

[Jimmymagic]

[QUOTE=Frizze;5353921]So a tank might have a hard time believing this, but for 99% of the content in this game you are optional. This is why you see meme runs of all healers or whatever clear everything up to savage level. A good tank is a boon unto the world, may all its blessings be upon him. A normal tank makes things easier for a group. A missing tank? That means the healer or a DPS take the hits. Ive cleared every dungeon through level 70(havent gotten all the ShB dungeons yet) at some point with a tank that disconnected without returning or quit. You typically do single pulls(though there are exceptions), and you spread the hate around a little if the healer is struggling. My defenses may be weaker then a CD-less tank, but you can bet your life that ill actually use my one cooldown to help the healer out(manaward is freaking amazing). As for a bad tank, theyre worse then a missing tank. They give the illusion that things will be easier without delivering.



More BS /10character

[Fluffernuff]

I don't think I've ever seen a boss fight succeed if the tank was absent through most or all of it. I mean maybe a gag run of all healers can do most of the content by chain rezzing each other through tank busters, but in a standard roulette group setup I've never seen a group pull off any boss fight without a tank. I have seen several instances where the healer goes down immediately and a Paladin tank covers the healing to take out the boss; I've done it myself occasionally.

I've never really seen healer only mock runs to begin with, but from an on-paper perspective, i could see something like trying to fish for crit-lo from a scholar or 3 to be "effective". but thats more me """"theorycrafting"""" than anything I can talk about in confidence. In general, so long as the primary healer isnt the one eating the buster, I would trend towards thinking the healer is the most essential part of a group. But that's why I tried to highlight that all roles can be ignored to one extent or another.

Tanking as a role loses alot of value when outgoing damage is low, such as in dungeons, palace, normal raids, and the like. For a sizable chunk of the playerbase, that is the extent of the content they access. Combine that with the general "tank ego" stereotype, I can kinda get that perspective. I dont agree with it, but I can kinda understand it.