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  1. #141
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    Kreetle Juice
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    Dragoon Lv 70

    BST

    I'm not gonna go into number stuff that actually exists, cause i dont have time for that stuff. But they could easily add BST as a non-limited.

    Lets say melee dps has 4 single and 4 AoE attacks that are 100dmg (just for example)
    BST could have 2 single and 2 AoE, and pet could have the same, that all do 50, but the pet ones are off global so they are being used at the same time.

    then in where they would normally get an off global to match up with other classes, they just get a global that does higher dmg, 150 or whatever to even that out.

    Let people collect pets but dont have a "best" they are just visual and whatever skills they have are the same dmg/function of the other pets just look different.


    could do PUP like SMN tho since they only had a couple different pets anyways, then give them stances that go with it, if they have the healer pet out, they are now like a DNC, lower their dmg by a flat % cause now they have support, then melee and ranged dps pets are just for flavor choice
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  2. #142
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    dinnertime's Avatar
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    Aurelius Lyon
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    Balmung
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    Summoner Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by SamRF View Post
    Comparing with other MMOs there's no Berserker type job in this game for melee dps
    We have Dragoon that channels the salt of a very vengeful dragon, but yeah it's not exactly what you're referring to.
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  3. #143
    Player Mhaeric's Avatar
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    Mhaeric Llystrom
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    Balmung
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kolsykol View Post
    I thought that I was being very clear and other people seem'd to get what I meant.
    Especially when I mentioned WAR and DRK too.
    However you want to justify hand-waving that there are already two pure dps jobs that wield 2-handed weapons is fine with me.
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  4. #144
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    SpeckledBurd's Avatar
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    K'ahli K'uhla'tor
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    Balmung
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    Monk Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Mhaeric View Post
    However you want to justify hand-waving that there are already two pure dps jobs that wield 2-handed weapons is fine with me.
    You're just being obtuse at this point. Samurai and Dragoon don't satisfy the desire for there to be a DPS job that uses a massive two-handed weapon as if they were Guts with the Dragonslayer just because they hold their weapon in two hands. They both have their own aesthetics and playstyles neither of which is "crush the opposition with a weapon as big as you are", no matter how big their weapon glams end up being on rare occasions. Dragoon's jumps and dragon lasers are not that. Samurai's fast, nimble attacks and iajutsu quickdraws are not that.
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    Last edited by SpeckledBurd; 05-18-2020 at 08:59 AM.

  5. #145
    Player Mhaeric's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpeckledBurd View Post
    You're just being obtuse at this point. Samurai and Dragoon don't satisfy the desire for there to be a DPS job that uses a massive two-handed weapon as if they were Guts with the Dragonslayer just because they hold their weapon in two hands. They both have their own aesthetics and playstyles neither of which is "crush the opposition with a weapon as big as you are", no matter how big their weapon glams end up being on rare occasions. Dragoon's jumps and dragon lasers are not that. Samurai's fast, nimble attacks and iajutsu quickdraws are not that.
    Okay, then. You're seriously trying to say that Dragoon doesn't "crush the opposition with a weapon as big as you are." Their weapons are twice as big as they are with slow, massive hits some of which literally crash down on enemies from on high with it. I mean, come on. You'd be more honest if you just said you don't like SAM and DRG and want a different 2-handed DPS instead of trying to come up with some head cannon to explain away their weapons.
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  6. #146
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mhaeric View Post
    Okay, then. You're seriously trying to say that Dragoon doesn't "crush the opposition with a weapon as big as you are." Their weapons are twice as big as they are with slow, massive hits some of which literally crash down on enemies from on high with it. I mean, come on. You'd be more honest if you just said you don't like SAM and DRG and want a different 2-handed DPS instead of trying to come up with some head cannon to explain away their weapons.
    No it's not, because a spear is not "a weapon as big as you are" it might be as tall, but it doesn't have the same weight or width as you. Dragoons in Final Fantasy are wholly their own thing, completely unlike the aesthetic of any other fantasy because of their jumps. A jump doesn't satisfy crushing your opposition. It's a jump.

    Pictured: A Dragoon apparently.
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    Last edited by SpeckledBurd; 05-18-2020 at 09:20 AM.

  7. #147
    Player Mhaeric's Avatar
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    Now who's the one being obtuse?

    Edit: Nice edit. Your picture and caption is still you being obtuse.
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    Last edited by Mhaeric; 05-18-2020 at 09:36 AM.

  8. #148
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mhaeric View Post
    Now who's the one being obtuse?
    You because you continue to choose to ignore the actual point.
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  9. #149
    Player Mhaeric's Avatar
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    You mean the part where someone wants a 2-handed dps that specifically uses a giant sword? Say that, then. Don't say "the game is sorta lacking a big two-handed pure dps" because those exist.
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  10. #150
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    Kiro Isamu
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    Zodiark
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    Marauder Lv 88
    Quote Originally Posted by Mhaeric View Post
    You mean the part where someone wants a 2-handed dps that specifically uses a giant sword? Say that, then. Don't say "the game is sorta lacking a big two-handed pure dps" because those exist.
    Only thing that matters is that people understand what they meant (purpose of language in general) and to me it was pretty obvious. You seem the only one so far who can't understand it even after further explanation and that's okay I guess, just ignore it then. Can't please everyone.
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