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    rsod's Avatar
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    Rasa Vhecbepa
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    Last edited by rsod; 07-28-2021 at 04:16 PM.

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    Evelynn Outreguerlain
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    If savage is too difficult then just, don't do it. BiS doesn't mean anything unless you're doing savage and shooting for parses. You could do all the normal content on purely crafted gear and not struggle whatsoever.

    Assuming of course this isn't a troll thread.
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    Rei Makato
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    Savage is the easiest it's ever been right now imo, especially the first few floors, making it much easier will alienate a lot of the playerbase who wants that kind of content. As Billy said though, if you are not the kind of player who clears savage, BiS shouldn't be that important to you as there isn't any content that would require that level of stats, hell even half of the ex roullete dungeons sync your item level, so BiS will be unnoticable. If its just the glamour you want out of it, you can wait for a new tier to come out and clear it then when its much easier too. Making savage rewards more easily accessible devalues the reward for people who can get it, and also disincentivises people to get better at the game and strive to get that gear.
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    Savage Completion Rate ~5%+ of active players. Community: "Ugh stop catering to savage"
    Ultimate Completion Rate ~1% of active players. Community: "Ugh stop catering to the hardcore raiders"
    Frontline/ Rival Wings/ Hidden Gorge Mount Aquisition ~0.05-1% of active players. Community: "Ugh PVP is so dead in this game, they should stop investing in it"
    Blue Mage Morbol Mount Aquisition ~0.01% of active players. Community: "WoW bLuE mAgE iS sO fUn AnD aCtIvE i CaN't WaIt FoR mOrE lImItEd JoBs"

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    Alexa Nubara
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    Gilgamesh
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    Alchemist Lv 50
    Take a break with it. A lot of statics don't know you should always take a break from raiding once in a while or you get burned out which causes a lot of mistakes and messing up.

    I plan to get back into raiding maybe as BLM or Bard haven't decided.
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    MistakeNot's Avatar
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    Auriana Redsteele
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    Zodiark
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    Savage is supposed to be difficult. It is supposed to take a lot of wipes before you learn how to beat it.
    The solution for who think Savage is too difficult is simple - don't do it. There is absolutely no need to run Savage unless you find it fun.

    As for the BiS gear - you don't need it.
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  7. 05-14-2020 04:47 AM

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    Cyrillo Rongway
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    Hyperion
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by MistakeNot View Post
    As for the BiS gear - you don't need it.
    Quote Originally Posted by rsod View Post
    It's like because you said that, or you have some better arguments?
    BiS gear helps you run Savage a few seconds faster. If you're not running Savage, you don't need it.

    It doesn't make a meaningful difference over tomestone gear in any non-savage, non-extreme content.
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    Gabriel Morgan
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    Adamantoise
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by rsod View Post
    Savage isn't fun at all for me, I hate content that difficult. But there is no other way to get bis gear.
    If you aren't running savage, you don't need best in slot, simply getting high enough ilvl is sufficient for everything else. The stat differences between the best ilvl gear is rather minimal, and you can complete Extreme, the next step down from savage with pretty much anything as long as you are the right ilvl and don't have any gear that's horribly out of date.

    Hell, you don't even really need full BiS for savage, since you have to already complete it a few times to even get full BiS. It's largely just completionism.

    Edit: The only time I can think that you'd really need to worry about getting Best in Slot is if you are planning to do Ultimate tier, but if you don't enjoy savage, you won't even be able to access ultimate, making the point moot.
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    Krystal Abyss
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    Mateus
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    Pugilist Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Billythepancake View Post
    If savage is too difficult then just, don't do it. BiS doesn't mean anything unless you're doing savage and shooting for parses. You could do all the normal content on purely crafted gear and not struggle whatsoever.

    Assuming of course this isn't a troll thread.
    Isn't ilevel in new content also laughably low? You can buy crafted gear and be more than fine. And on some worlds, if you just *ask* for it, people will absolutely give you a full set in HQ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iVolke View Post
    This is probably the easiest forum to bait.

    y'all are kinda dumb tbh

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    Chymea Sum
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    Siren
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    So what about the players that like how difficult it is or want it difficult?

    Games that cater to many players, especially MMO's, should have content that fits for players who like easy, average, and hard content.

    And it's perfectly fine that the hardest content in the game gives the best gear.

    Does that mean that some players can't get that gear without the help of others? Yes. Is that a bad thing? No.
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    Ein'sf Florr
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    Kujata
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    Black Mage Lv 90
    Dear OP,

    I understand the feeling of need (or greed) to get THE BiS gear. Because it makes yourself feel good to be self equipped with such gear.
    Just like IRL when one would feel good to be getting a new, fancy garment to be worn in occasions. Or the best gaming spec for your computer.
    Perhaps it's the FOMO (fear of missing out) in you when you see everyone in your circle is talking about savage raiding.
    Everyone is doing it. I must do it too!!! You tried it, and the result was what is written in your first post.

    Just like everyone else said, if it's too difficult, don't do it.
    You don't need the BiS gear unless you want to progress more in Savage.
    Or tackle Ultimate.
    What you're feeling now is just greed.
    Not that it's a bad thing wanting to feel good about yourself as a player.
    (Unless you're one of those who just brags and downgrades others)
    It feels good to have a sense of progression in games.
    But for your own sake, you need to know what your limits are.

    I'm telling you this as a non-raider myself. I don't do savage nor extreme (only Hades for fun).
    Very often I see people in FC talks about their savage runs, melding, openers... flexing their BiS gear or savage mounts.
    I won't lie it makes me envious sometimes. I just roll my eyes at them.
    Friends have tried to persuade me in doing savage. But the amount of dedication and time it requires from me would be more stressful than fun.
    I'd like to do other stuff in-game and still get my 10pm sleep, thanks.

    So first, you need to re-evaluate why do you need to get BiS so much.
    If it's just for your own sense of completion, then think if all the stress you've described will be worth for your own enjoyment?
    If you're already giving up and wants the game to adjust for you, instead of practice again and again to improve; then I guess savage raiding is not for you.
    Perhaps, as someone had suggested earlier, take some break and try again with a clear head. Or as a different job.

    I know there are people who enjoys the challenge that savage offers.
    I have friends who do it not for the BiS but just to clear and the thrill itself.
    I have friends who were first uncertain with their skills to do savage but now raids regularly for BiS and Ultimate.
    And I also have a friend who forced themselves raiding to the point of depression because it was so stressful for them. Do not turn out like this.
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    Last edited by einschwartz; 05-14-2020 at 10:27 AM. Reason: typos
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