Thornmarch Hard Mode critical bug, SE thinks there's insufficient information.

[KageTokage]

Issue is still unresolved as of the latest hotfix patch as I took 3.4K damage from a transition Memento Moogle that was weakened by Reprisal and Addle.

It's still causing more damage then all of the EX primals do with their phase transitions (Shiva EX is the "toughest" primal in ARR, but her Diamond Dust only hits for around 2.8K comparatively) so not very reasonable.

[EaMett]

Can't you tank lb it? admittedly that would sound like too much for a non ex encounter but still.

[Maeka]

HAVE to is a strong word :P Back in 2.1 Ive had groups kill them in just about every different order. We just mostly agreed the most annoying ones were BLM, WHM, and BRD. So we liked killing them, to make the fight less annoying.
(On a side note, we once had the boss wipe us, cuz the main tank of PLD, was in sword oath, and his damage in sword oath was enough to enrage the boss in the 2nd phase each time. It wasnt until the 4th wipe, someone checked the dps, and saw not a single person attacked the boss, other than the PLD lol)

Any kill order is fine, as long as you don't kill the two tanks before the other moogles IIRC. I remember someone telling me that if the WAR or PLD is killed and other moogles are up, he will immediately do the "I KEEL YOU NOW" thing on his next Memento.

But I've gotten through Thornmarch several times, in fact I did one just a week ago and it was fine. Because, you know, we killed all the adds.

Go figure. Do the battle correctly, win.
Screw it up and die.

The way it should be.

EDIT: Was watching the video.... the guy recording who dies only has 3,800HP which is barely over half what everybody else has. Like, seriously, he put no effort into even getting any Ironworks gear, which is buyable the moment you ding 50 (and there's a good bit of MSQ between Praetorium and Thornmarch, easily enough time to get some Ironworks gear). Heck the Praetorium run you go through the first time should be enough to buy at least 1 piece, and then the roulette would give you enough to get 2-3 more, and that's just the first day you ding 50. Not to mention adding Trials roulette to that, too. Also, they could buy some Lv50 craftables, too.

Definitely a player problem. Maybe they should just simply raise the I-level required to 100 or something.

Also, shame on the OP for not casting Succor/Adloquium. He even talks about how he's about to do this big attack and......he doesn't bubble anybody. While playing the healer whose job is all about bubbles. An adlo would have saved his life. Heck, Succor would have even done the same. He took 3854 damage and he had 3814 health.

Issue is still unresolved as of the latest hotfix patch as I took 3.4K damage from a transition Memento Moogle that was weakened by Reprisal and Addle.

It's still causing more damage then all of the EX primals do with their phase transitions (Shiva EX is the "toughest" primal in ARR, but her Diamond Dust only hits for around 2.8K comparatively) so not very reasonable.

Nobody should have 3.4k health, I mean c'mon. Getting I-level 100+ is easy-peasy even for your first time through. Maybe, before going into your first (Hard) fight, you might want to actually make sure you're dressed for the occasion? Heck, they hand you i90 gear just by finishing your Lv50 job quest. Are you trying to tell me you're going in there without any sort of proper gear?

Not sure why people are acting like you should be able to walk into Thornmarch wearing Lv45 junk that you had on you while you were in your 40s and expect not to die.

[Eldevern]

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In my first post here I had the same opinion than you. But since...

I've checked two videos, one from 2015, one from 2020. The difference is... huge.

In both case, players have between 4k and 7k HP (and that's normal for an ilvl between 70-110 when you are around lvl 50)
In 2015, they lost around 1/5 of their HP.
In 2020, they lost around 4/5 of their HP.

In both case, they followed the strategy, without mistake. The difference? In 2015 the monarch hit around 0.4K, now it seems he deals almost 4K damages in every cases (I tried solo witht the same result, around 4K damages).

There actually is a problem.

[Maeka]

Is that such a bad thing, though? I mean... it teaches a player that they really should get geared instead of coasting along with terrible gear that's barely high enough to get into the instance in the first place. Then, later on, during oh, I dunno, Ravana or something you don't see people showing up in bare minimums making everybody's life hell.

Yes, it's abnormal and it could even be a bug, but I would posit that a transition AoE doing 60% of your health in damage is... something that is commonplace later on in the game and it's something that should be gotten used to. You have all the tools you need to get through that, and it's not going to wipe a group unless the entire group is wearing bare minimum to get in, which shouldn't really be a thing in the first place.

In fact, I always thought Memento Moogle was just too weak anyhow.

[Eldevern]

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Well, I get your point. 1.5K or 2K damages sound to me more reasonable and enough surprising to make players feel some kind of little shiver, enough for a warning.

[EnigmaticDodo]

I personally think the bug is hilarious, but yeah it should be fixed if this isn't intended.

In the video though, with the scholar, they could use Sacred Soil and Succor to further reduce the damage. Succor wouldve allowed them to survive definitely. In the mean time, folks will need to use their mitigation tools, if available, to deal with it.

[Deceptus]

Go figure. Do the battle correctly, win.
Screw it up and die.

The way it should be.

How many times does it have to be explained to ignorant people that this fight was done the right way (this is the VERY first AoE) and is doing way too much damage.

EDIT: Was watching the video.... the guy recording who dies only has 3,800HP which is barely over half what everybody else has.

That just shows they were a bonafide Newb. And they shouldn't be shamed for that. We were all there. Hell I've been in dungeon runs where as the healer I had more HP than the tank and everyone else and ended up tanking everything.

Nobody should have 3.4k health, I mean c'mon. Getting I-level 100+ is easy-peasy even for your first time through. Maybe, before going into your first (Hard) fight, you might want to actually make sure you're dressed for the occasion? Heck, they hand you i90 gear just by finishing your Lv50 job quest. Are you trying to tell me you're going in there without any sort of proper gear?

While I agree, that still doesn't matter. The attack is doing WAY too much damage.

Not sure why people are acting like you should be able to walk into Thornmarch wearing Lv45 junk that you had on you while you were in your 40s and expect not to die.

You can't walk into Thornmarch at lvl 45. The min ilvl is 54. But if you were wearing ilvl 55 (vendor gear) you would absolutely die. The minimum ilvl exists for a reason. You should be able to make it past the first AoE. You can't do that due to the bug.

[Anienai]

I love the one shot mechanic.

[KageTokage]

Can't you tank lb it? admittedly that would sound like too much for a non ex encounter but still.

Pretty sure that's a negative because Memento Moogle is classified as "darkness" damage which ignores mitigation buffs and can only be reduced by shields, damage debuffs like Reprisal/Addle, and raw defense.

Said flag is usually reserved for mechanics you're not supposed to be getting hit by, but there's been other instances of it being tied to unavoidable damage, such as the J-Waves from Brute Justice in A8S.

Is that such a bad thing, though? I mean... it teaches a player that they really should get geared instead of coasting along with terrible gear that's barely high enough to get into the instance in the first place. Then, later on, during oh, I dunno, Ravana or something you don't see people showing up in bare minimums making everybody's life hell.

Yes, it's abnormal and it could even be a bug, but I would posit that a transition AoE doing 60% of your health in damage is... something that is commonplace later on in the game and it's something that should be gotten used to. You have all the tools you need to get through that, and it's not going to wipe a group unless the entire group is wearing bare minimum to get in, which shouldn't really be a thing in the first place.

In fact, I always thought Memento Moogle was just too weak anyhow.

This is the only fight in the game where you'll get deleted by the phase transition if you try to go in with minimum item level, and the lack of mitigation options only worsens things. As previously mentioned, it's also hitting harder then every single ARR EX primal's phase transition (Which would not kill even players who are a fair bit below the minimum item level for their fights).

It's more about consistency then anything else.