It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[LalafellDown]

There are mods that turn people’s clothes off. Why not the Devs make a filter that can be toggled on or off in the menu. Where the starter gear/weapons will be everyone’s default. Like the profanity filter we have.

Maybe the lvl 50 artifact gear can be the default. Like the bots used to wear.

[Moonlite]

If I get the choice to not see them, or see them represented but with a placeholder, this is now equal. They can wear whatever they want and be seen by (likely) the majority of the playerbase, I get to opt out and be left alone. I still have to enable an option that would also screen even glamours I would have liked to have seen.
When one side finally gets one detriment, this doesn't mean the side that finally got some equality needs ANOTHER detriment.

I seriously don't mind you having the option to block glamour. One, it doesn't hurt the hamsters running 14s servers. Two, you can't record/stream the game in anyway with this option on. But how does your side propose that SE do this? I at least feel this is a fair compromise people get to express themselves and people who don't like it are contained in their own little section of the world.

[Krotoan]

I seriously don't mind you having the option to block glamour. One, it doesn't hurt the hamsters running 14s servers. Two, you can't record/stream the game in anyway with this option on. But how does your side propose that SE do this? I at least feel this is a fair compromise people get to express themselves and people who don't like it are contained in their own little section of the world.

The way glamour works, at least by what most games have done and likely how SE does it is all the actual model and skin files are stored on your computer (just being thorough). The server gives positional and flag (model,color, texture, size) data to your computer and the client takes that data and shows what it's supposed to. If you create an option for the client to ignore the appearance data coming from the server and just use the positional data, you'd just be telling the client that instead of reading the data coming from the server it would enable a "default" appearance for whatever job/race/sex. There is no extra data going back and forth and honestly some PC's would benefit because they'd be loading less different data (instead of the millions of possible combinations for all the other people around you, there would be.. say hundreds.). It's not particularly complex or harder to implement than say a graphic setting. All the load would be client side (and as I said it'd probably be less) and it would cause no extra data going back and forth between servers and players... unless someone NEEDS to know that you have it on and they implement some kind of marker, then there would be additional data that would have to be sent saying you had it enabled (though admittedly it'd be minor).


The perceivable affect being, you enable the option and everyone else except for you appears as either: no glamour (probably a bad option since it'd make mishmash looking people), Default glamour (either level appropriate AF or some very class iconic gear), or even completely replaced by a random NPC (randomized features, default glamour but same sex/race). In the case that people particularly hate that they could be recorded in any way (workarounds to any in client limitation could be done by using outside programs), names could be forced to the first initials only setting which is already in the game.
EDIT: On your screen only, i should specify. Nobody else around you is affected or aware of the option being enabled unless very specific questions are asked and answered.

[SamRF]

There are mods that turn people’s clothes off. Why not the Devs make a filter that can be toggled on or off in the menu. Where the starter gear/weapons will be everyone’s default. Like the profanity filter we have.

Maybe the lvl 50 artifact gear can be the default. Like the bots used to wear.

Didn't Yoshi say they try to implement features in game to extend you wouldn't need to mod anything? They should add such change/hide/default glamour option then so people won't be tempted to start modding their client.

[Klb600]

The way glamour works, at least by what most games have done and likely how SE does it is all the actual model and skin files are stored on your computer (just being thorough). The server gives positional and flag (model,color, texture, size) data to your computer and the client takes that data and shows what it's supposed to. If you create an option for the client to ignore the appearance data coming from the server and just use the positional data, you'd just be telling the client that instead of reading the data coming from the server it would enable a "default" appearance for whatever job/race/sex. There is no extra data going back and forth and honestly some PC's would benefit because they'd be loading less different data (instead of the millions of possible combinations for all the other people around you, there would be.. say hundreds.). It's not particularly complex or harder to implement than say a graphic setting. All the load would be client side (and as I said it'd probably be less) and it would cause no extra data going back and forth between servers and players... unless someone NEEDS to know that you have it on and they implement some kind of marker, then there would be additional data that would have to be sent saying you had it enabled (though admittedly it'd be minor).

Very Nicely explained, I haven't delved much into Graphics/Rendering programming but assumed this was how it was usually done, hell as I mentioned before, Black Desert renders whatever your customization features on top of the Generic Class model found in character creator, Since the tech that BDO uses to seamlessly stream the data from server to client can be slow at times, there are instances where you can see this in action, when it loads in and the client model details have not finished authenticating with the server side, so you will control the Generic character model and other players will appear as generic models until every detail streams in and is authenticated.

I never understood why people believed that a feature like this NEEDS constant server streaming/Authentication to begin with when mods/plugins already debunk this.

[Theodric]

Didn't Yoshi say they try to implement features in game to extend you wouldn't need to mod anything? They should add such change/hide/default glamour option then so people won't be tempted to start modding their client.

Yeah, he did. The established trend so far is also that each patch brings a number of quality of life improvements to the game. Naturally not all of those quality of life improvements need to appeal to every single player, especially if they're entirely optional and limited to client side displays.

[Awha]

I seriously don't mind you having the option to block glamour. One, it doesn't hurt the hamsters running 14s servers. Two, you can't record/stream the game in anyway with this option on. But how does your side propose that SE do this? I at least feel this is a fair compromise people get to express themselves and people who don't like it are contained in their own little section of the world.

The option would not have an impact on performance that part is easy, now the streaming aspect might be another story. Though I am not sure why that is even on the table as an issue since one would straight up have to go out their way to find screen shots or a stream to see if their character was altered on another's screen. Since like an unreasonable request in terms of a compromise.

[Moonlite]

The option would not have an impact on performance that part is easy, now the streaming aspect might be another story. Though I am not sure why that is even on the table as an issue since one would straight up have to go out their way to find screen shots or a stream to see if their character was altered on another's screen. Since like an unreasonable request in terms of a compromise.

Why unreasonable? You are literally telling people that what they are wearing is unacceptable. Yet they would want to use videos/images with the version of you that they deem acceptable. How is that a fair compromise? If one side can agree that other players may not enjoy their glamour and accept that to help the other persons enjoyment they are misrepresented on another players screen. The least they can do is be prevented from recording that.

[Awha]

Why unreasonable? You are literally telling people that what they are wearing is unacceptable. Yet they would want to use videos/images with the version of you that they deem acceptable. How is that a fair compromise? If one side can agree that other players may not enjoy their glamour and accept that to help the other persons enjoyment they are misrepresented on another players screen. The least they can do is be prevented from recording that.

Cause in the end this feature is no different from profanity filter expect it would be a glamour filter. If the same standard of not being able to stream is not a held for language which is another means of self expression why must it be the case for glamour.

Even if I were to grant everything you said, that would be such a pain to prevent streaming. A more reasonable solution in my opinion would to have the toggle also enable first and last initials sure with some effort one could see if their character was altered but the general public would be none the wiser. Sure they would still be misrepresented so to speak, but the general public would have no knowledge that is your character and the only way for the public to know said character is yours falls in line in a similar fashion of you finding out. The person streaming would have to inform the viewer base, and even possibility direct the viewer base to the person in question. So while yes they would still be misrepresented, being as generally no one would know who they are, can we really say it would have any negative impact that comes with misrepresentation?

Truth be told with the plethora of methods of capturing and streaming ones screen, I do not even know if it would be possible to restrict streaming in any reasonable manner.

[Eldevern]

Considering streaming, depending of the countries, the fact a player appears in a video, if he hasn't been informed the party is recorded, could theorically already complain and obtain the video to be deleted/put offline.

This is why streamers need/should always display initials of players rather than the full name and most already hide chat.