Novice Network has become unfriendly.

[SturmChurro]

A lot of the time the sprouts are chatting too. I don't see any problem either as long as questions are being answered. In our NN they generally are. As mentioned Novice Network is a new players first experience of the game and a friendly chatty environment where help is always available is far more preferable to a stiff businesslike one that will jump at you for saying anything other than a question.

I never joined NN when I first started playing this game, and I think I did fine. Players are better off without that trash.

The whole mentor thing should just be removed.

[SamRF]

I never joined NN when I first started playing this game, and I think I did fine. Players are better off without that trash.

The whole mentor thing should just be removed.

As a returner it was very handy imo, asking what changes were made and where, quick questions about stuff that aren't obvious from the get go. For many questions it was faster to ask there than to look it up. Questions about Job rotations were also answered quickly which saved a lot of time of trying to figure it out calculating or finding the right section in a guide (which usually aren't up to date to latest patch). [Edit]I even had a mentor once test some things out for me on a dummy with a job I didn't have maxed yet but was curious about a later unlocked ability[/edit].

An example of a question from Returner: "Did they make Eureka easier (less grindy) since 5.0?" For which I had gotten a quick answer from a mentor saying it had gotten easier but not by a lot. Finding out this information by trying to look it up would have taken a lot more time compared to the instant answer from NN. I appreciated it a lot.

Perhaps I was lucky with my NN being a good one on my server (Zodiark).

[SturmChurro]

As a returner it was very handy imo, asking what changes were made and where, quick questions about stuff that aren't obvious from the get go. For many questions it was faster to ask there than to look it up. Questions about Job rotations were also answered quickly which saved a lot of time of trying to figure it out calculating or finding the right section in a guide (which usually aren't up to date to latest patch).

An example of a question from Returner: "Did they make Eureka easier (less grindy) since 5.0?" For which I had gotten a quick answer from a mentor saying it had gotten easier but not by a lot. Finding out this information by trying to look it up would have taken a lot more time compared to the instant answer from NN. I appreciated it a lot.

Perhaps I was lucky with my NN being a good one on my server (Zodiark).

I can ask something like that in a hub and get the same answer there that I would get in the NN though.

[SamRF]

I can ask something like that in a hub and get the same answer there that I would get in the NN though.

Mentors went to greater extend than I see other random players doing (check my edit in that post you quoted). They also helped many clear content that took forever to queue however there were sprouts and returners helping out as well. It's also the ease of availability with how you have the Novice Network availible wherever you are (even in an instance) so you don't need to think twice before asking a question, or go to a certain hub in hopes someone will answer there. It was handy, that's all I'm saying and I appreciated it for that.

[EaMett]

I can ask something like that in a hub and get the same answer there that I would get in the NN though.

You can ask anything on any platform and get a response. Your point is? Are you unhappy that people actually find the NN in their world useful? lol. Does that not go along with your "mentors are trash" narrative?

[SturmChurro]

You can ask anything on any platform and get a response. Your point is? Are you unhappy that people actually find the NN in their world useful? lol. Does that not go along with your "mentors are trash" narrative?

Felt no need to explain it. I already put probably 20 + paragraphs on mentors in other mentor threads. This is just another one. I had this exact discussion probably 4? months ago. Give or take. Can't remember.

Mentorship as a system is objectively trash though. That is, and has been, a constant for years.

[Barraind]

You can ask anything on any platform and get a response. Your point is? Are you unhappy that people actually find the NN in their world useful? lol. Does that not go along with your "mentors are trash" narrative?

The anti-mentor has to disagree with anything and everything that isnt 100% "mentors are trash", or their narrative falls apart quickly.

NN varies significantly by server, and has for years.