It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[NanaWiloh]

Seeing this thread and the posts makes me ponder. If you are someone who is easily distracted by other peoples glam's then it begs the question. When you die in a dungeon or raid, how many of you are dying cause you were busy gazing at the bikini wearing tank and not the death marker over your head.

[Krotoan]

I'm not entirely sure that that could or would even be able to be solved. There currently is no way to selectively mute or disable the SFX or VFX of individual players or jobs, it's you, your party or others. I would love the ability to selectively mute and disable the effects of certain jobs though so that it would only be my own and the three healers's sounds and effects.

Sure, so ask for it if you want it. I don't have a problem with it. Remember that people protested the ability to silence "performance" when we got it , saying it was defeating the whole purpose of the skill. Like I said though, lets start with the problem we HAVE and not the theoretical unsubstantiated maybe future problem.

To be fair.. this whole thread is nothing but passive aggression. I feel like everyone here were trolled massively because the TC hasn't came here once after they made this topic. It seriously feels like this was nothing but a massive trolled that got everyone in arms. And sadly it worked. And a maker wouldn't label you that. It'll just be an icon that lets other people know you have it on. And if they don't want to be effected the icon lets them know not to party with you. Whats wrong with that? Why do you get a feature and not the other side? Why be unfair? Whats wrong with an icon?

You act like people wouldn't already find ways to find out if you're using it or not anyway.

The same way that someone cannot be exposed for using say a parser, people wouldn't be able to find out that you're not seeing their particular glamour. Unless that person SAYS something specific it'd be near impossible. Adding another step of difficulty to the witch hunting would quash quite a bit of it.

We've already told you whats wrong with an icon. It would be a scarlet letter to those who would discriminate unfairly.
If anything , and I think this is a bad idea as well, I would suggest an option to avoid people who use the feature on Duty Roulettes.
And again, this whole "problem" stems from people who cannot even stand the idea that someone might not see them exactly as they've intended. The idea, not the reality just the idea. SE

But the issue is there's no such thing as no problems in anything. There's always going to be issues, honestly the best way to have no problems is to not put it in. But that wouldn't work for you. But that IS the best way to have no problems in this topic.

We already have a problem in this topic, people want this feature. it solves a problem they HAVE. It's not a particularly pressing problem, but it's a definite want and problem of at least part of the userbase.

[Canada_bangs]

Sure, so ask for it if you want it. I don't have a problem with it. Remember that people protested the ability to silence "performance" when we got it , saying it was defeating the whole purpose of the skill. Like I said though, lets start with the problem we HAVE and not the theoretical unsubstantiated maybe future problem.





The same way that someone cannot be exposed for using say a parser, people wouldn't be able to find out that you're not seeing their particular glamour. Unless that person SAYS something specific it'd be near impossible. Adding another step of difficulty to the witch hunting would quash quite a bit of it.

We've already told you whats wrong with an icon. It would be a scarlet letter to those who would discriminate unfairly.
If anything , and I think this is a bad idea as well, I would suggest an option to avoid people who use the feature on Duty Roulettes.
And again, this whole "problem" stems from people who cannot even stand the idea that someone might not see them exactly as they've intended. The idea, not the reality just the idea. SE





We already have a problem in this topic, people want this feature. it solves a problem they HAVE. It's not a particularly pressing problem, but it's a definite want and problem of at least part of the userbase.

But isn't that a nonissue? People aren't going around shamming people with mentor status. You're going to always have jerks. Not having an icon isn't going to stop people from being jerks. Just look to SE changing the TOS and rules for a bit of that. I don't see the issue of an icon. As all it'll do is tell those people who don't want to be effective to not party with you. We have report systems for people who push it past the issues. Honestly ( and I'm not saying it is this ) but it really feels like people just want this issue to spite the people that don't so much as to not even wanting an icon so those people can choose too. I just want everyone to have options, not just one side.

[Krotoan]

But isn't that a nonissue? People aren't going around shamming people with mentor status.

You'd be surprised.

You're going to always have jerks. Not having an icon isn't going to stop people from being jerks. Just look to SE changing the TOS and rules for a bit of that. I don't see the issue of an icon. As all it'll do is tell those people who don't want to be effective to not party with you. We have report systems for people who push it past the issues. Honestly ( and I'm not saying it is this ) but it really feels like people just want this issue to spite the people that don't so much as to not even wanting an icon so those people can choose too. I just want everyone to have options, not just one side.

apparently you don't, because one side currently has all the options and one does not.

[Awha]

As I have mentioned before more QoL options that add players to control their own experience is not a bad thing. Sure people will say they do not want others to view them in clothing they did not approve of, but way I see it is more so akin to someone using their imagination to alter how they view the world or a person. I do it all the time personally outside having a means to physically do that in a game does not seem all that different to me. Sure one could argue about screen shots and streaming but those are outliers and the population is large enough that the chances of running into such an encounter probably would be extremely rare.

[Canada_bangs]

You'd be surprised.


apparently you don't, because one side currently has all the options and one does not.

People don't mass report on mentors, they don't do this. So no, they won't do this with you getting an icon. If you're so scared of people doing this then clearly we shouldn't get this anyway since people will instantly target everyone. When they don't even do this to mentors or anyone else on anything else. Both sides should have options to play with who they want to play with. And an icon is the easiest way for that to happen. There's nothing wrong with having people who don't agree with this being able to see your icon and not party with you. Just like there's nothing wrong with you not wanting to party with pig suits or whatever you don't want to see. Noone has a choice now because the option doesn't exist. If it went your way only you would get that choice. I say both should have the choice.

[Krotoan]

People don't mass report on mentors, they don't do this. So no, they won't do this with you getting an icon.

Just because it hasn't happened to YOU.. doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

If you're so scared of people doing this then clearly we shouldn't get this anyway since people will instantly target everyone.

The only reason this would be a problem is if you mark someone using an OPTION. it'd be like flagging someone if they use the /bahamutsize small toggle.

When they don't even do this to mentors or anyone else on anything else. Both sides should have options to play with who they want to play with. And an icon is the easiest way for that to happen.

Just because it's the easiest doesn't mean it's the best idea.

There's nothing wrong with having people who don't agree with this being able to see your icon and not party with you. Just like there's nothing wrong with you not wanting to party with pig suits or whatever you don't want to see.

There are several things wrong with it that I keep pointing out and you seem to keep putting your fingers in your ears and insisting don't exist.

Noone has a choice now because the option doesn't exist. If it went your way only you would get that choice. I say both should have the choice.

Right now people who want to have crazy/flashy glamours have all the options to use them, people who don't wish to have those in their game.. or at least not see them have no choices besides NOT being in places people who are using them are.

This isn't even close to equal. You are operating from the premise that what we have right now is equitable and fair, and it is not.

[Klb600]

Both sides should have options to play with who they want to play with. And an icon is the easiest way for that to happen. There's nothing wrong with having people who don't agree with this being able to see your icon and not party with you. Just like there's nothing wrong with you not wanting to party with pig suits or whatever you don't want to see..

And when did anyone state this? You are intentionally misconstruing the argument. At no point did anyone say they are not willing to party with someone in a pig suit, me wanting a feature that enhances my experience client side exclusively and me stating that I will not party with anyone in a pig suite or I will leave a dungeon if someone is in a pig suite are two completely different things. Most people for this feature are willing to party with the silly glamour's either way(as they have in the past), its just an option.

Implicitly or explicitly, What you want is a form of Penalization, in order to detract would be users of the feature, Which Segway's into my next point.

I just want everyone to have options, not just one side.

They already have their option, its called Glamour.....

You clearly don't understand how to be impartial, when you state the best alternative being "it would be best to not include the feature at all" to a QOL feature that has no bearing on your client side game, Your bias has already shown. Clearly you don't want the feature, and that is fine, I don't begrudge you for this. But quite playing the neutral game when you have been anything but.

[Canada_bangs]

And when did anyone state this? You are intentionally misconstruing the argument. At no point did anyone say they are not willing to party with someone in a pig suit, me wanting a feature that enhances my experience client side exclusively and me stating that I will not party with anyone in a pig suite or I will leave a dungeon if someone is in a pig suite are two completely different things. Most people for this feature are willing to party with the silly glamour's either way(as they have in the past), its just an option.

Implicitly or explicitly, What you want is a form of Penalization, in order to detract would be users of the feature, Which Segway's into my next point.



They already have their option, its called Glamour.....

You clearly don't understand how to be impartial, when you state the best alternative being "it would be best to not include the feature at all" to a QOL feature that has no bearing on your client side game, Your bias has already shown. Clearly you don't want the feature, and that is fine, I don't begrudge you for this. But quite playing the neutral game when you have been anything but.

I said the the best reason is to not have it is because people think it'll instantly cause problems when things like mentors having the crown isn't making people go instantly insane at once. That's the context you're not using. I don't care about the option because it's not going to happen. Thats where my opinion lies. Where my bias lies is when you get one side acting like they don't have options when we all have the options to turn the camera, leave, not care, party with people who don't make whatever go nuts because we like or dislike said glamours. Everyone can do this. And it doesn't matter what side you're on. People leave dungeons for any and all reasons. You're not stuck if you don't like something. You can leave, or not pay it any attention. That is on you. So saying people with glamours have control of your screen is silly. If I'm wrong for that opinion sorry, but what other people do doesn't matter to me or control me so much that I need to shut it or them out for my enjoyment. And if it did I have options like I just mentioned. You have those same options. We all have those options. Why ask SE for something we have control of.

Hell you can make PF for people to not join you with silly glams. People do it with jobs, RP, whatever already anyway. That's all I'm saying when I say we all have those options.

[Eldevern]

/bahamutsize small
Solved. Though I'm not sure if it's a client side command or not.

I'm not playing invoc but I will test if it works.