Covid-19 and FFXIV Fan Festival

[technole]

EVO in Vegas cancelled today, every other day you see another big gaming event get cancelled. Soon enough we'll probably hear more about fall events like PAX West and Fanfest. But the situation hasn't changed with Governor Newsom basically axing any idea of a large convention gathering in California this year. So they either don't do it at all, or elsewhere.

The other angle is Square Enix's COVID policies, such as no travel, working from home etc as they are likely waiting it out. Just like my company, travel is still barred but we are looking to allow it by summer.

That's no guarantee of prevention, though. The dangerous people are the ones not showing any symptoms yet, or have other mild symptoms without a fever and aren't going to let a "mild cold" stop them from attending the event they've been looking forward to for months.

(That's what's so terrifying about how the virus can spread.)

That can happen anywhere. Masks are required in the casino re-opening plan and they even provide one. Still doesn't change the reality is Vegas is more equipped for safer conventions with the threat of the virus until therapeutics are developed.

[QT_Melon]

How is Vegas "safer" if the same possible outcome is death?

https://news3lv.com/news/local/mayor...ity-to-re-open

[Katalyn]

These are awful times, and my heart aches for anyone who has lost someone they hold dear. I also apologize if my posts on this topic have triggered you in any way, that was not my intention.

People deal with difficulty and stress in different manners. Some of us like to think of a brighter future where a physical Fan Fest could occur safely. Hope is a powerful thing and helps people get through hard times. I'm not going to apologize or be shamed for coping by talking about a possible bright outcome.

Nowhere have a minimized what has happened nor have I've condoned having an unsafe event that would cost more lives. I find your insinuations on this matter both disingenuous and disgusting.

Tl;dr "Bro, do you understand how booking venues actually work?!"

Maybe your last response to me was "BLUNT." The above statement is passive-aggressive at best.

[Stanelis]

I wouldn't hold my breath for any fanfest occurring this year.

[Vidu]

These are awful times, and my heart aches for anyone who has lost someone they hold dear. I also apologize if my posts on this topic have triggered you in any way, that was not my intention.

People deal with difficulty and stress in different manners. Some of us like to think of a brighter future where a physical Fan Fest could occur safely. Hope is a powerful thing and helps people get through hard times. I'm not going to apologize or be shamed for coping by talking about a possible bright outcome.

Nowhere have a minimized what has happened nor have I've condoned having an unsafe event that would cost more lives. I find your insinuations on this matter both disingenuous and disgusting.

While its understandable that someone wants to dream about a brighter future thats not how your posts are coming across - at least not to me. I dont want to be rude, but your posts dont sound like you're just dreaming about attending the next fanfest as soon as possible, but more like suggesting ways that could happen at any cost. Your suggestion to change venues because California might not allow for large gatherings for longer than other states does sound dangerous and disrepectful to me at least. Maybe certain countries/states will be more careful - and perhaps to careful - when it comes to going back to normal. Maybe we'll reach a state where most of the world has gone back to normal and we know its safe but you have the odd super careful hold out. At that point your dreams might be warranted - when we can safely say "Okay, we've really got this under control, we can hold a fanfest safely, the only thing thats stopping us is this legal thing."

But right now thats nowhere near being the case, which makes you sound more disrespectful than wishful. Your suggestion (at least to me) sounds like "I hope they find a different venue as quickly as possible, in a state that will open it doors sooner than California" - while not entertaining the idea that California might have good reason to wait and that other states should follow that example.
Under the current circumstances you're not talking about a bright outcome, you're talking about an outcome that could potentially risk health and saftey by basically saying "California is wrong to not allow such a gathering, we should look elsewhere to hold it!"
And I dont know wether California is being to careful or not, but I'd rather have everyone being "to careful" right now. You're basically saying the opposite - and thats something I'd consider dangerous and careless.
You cant take the virus away from people, you cant bring back the dead and you cant turn back the clock. You can wish and dream, but sometimes its better to keep those wishes and dreams in your mind instead of arguing them in a public forum where you can easly come across as "I dont care about this virus, I just want my fanfest and if they cant hold it in California in the near future, they should just go window shopping!"
Maybe thats not your intention, but your posts can easly be understood this way - so I'm not surprised that people might be "upset" by them.

[QT_Melon]

These are awful times, and my heart aches for anyone who has lost someone they hold dear. I also apologize if my posts on this topic have triggered you in any way, that was not my intention.

People deal with difficulty and stress in different manners. Some of us like to think of a brighter future where a physical Fan Fest could occur safely. Hope is a powerful thing and helps people get through hard times. I'm not going to apologize or be shamed for coping by talking about a possible bright outcome.

Nowhere have a minimized what has happened nor have I've condoned having an unsafe event that would cost more lives. I find your insinuations on this matter both disingenuous and disgusting.



Maybe your last response to me was "BLUNT." The above statement is passive-aggressive at best.

I can't see this as an apology because it immediately points fingers back instead of actually rectifying the situation.

This is just smoke and mirrors for wanting to say whatever you want to say consequence free. You shouldn't sit there and tout "manners" or how someone is being rude when your whole speculation is disregarding situations that cause illness and death and the safety of others. You also shouldn't go around saying how "it's how you cope" then turn around and call someone "disingenuous and disgusting" because they also have to cope.


People have to cope with friends/family they'll never have the opportunity to meet again because they have lost their lives to COVID 19.
People have to cope with friends/themselves who work in the industry who had schedule the cons only to see them have to cancel. It's a lot of work, volunteers and sweat
People have to cope from lost revenue, joblessness. People who can't work at this time or use conventions as artists where this gives them leads and contacts to other work as freelancers/careers.

and much more...

I'm not upset at speculation, people do that all the time now with movies, and media. What does bother me is that you come off worried about how "rude" or "hurtful" someone is to YOUR own feelings with the disregard to everyone involved (and their feelings) and not even taking the time to understand and research. So yes, I'm calling you out on that.

[technole]

How is Vegas "safer" if the same possible outcome is death?

Quoting an article a week old during a situation that is changing rapidly everyday is lame and outdated. Besides Las Vegas Mayor has no jurisdiction of the Vegas Strip, because it rests in unincorporated Clark County.

The Gaming Review Board announced today a set of rules for the casinos re-opening this month. The real death outcome is despite 50% occupancy limits and social distancing being enforced they will follow the CDC guideline prohibiting gatherings of 250 or more people until further notice.

[QT_Melon]

Quoting an article a week old during a situation that is changing rapidly everyday is lame and outdated. Besides Las Vegas Mayor has no jurisdiction of the Vegas Strip, because it rests in unincorporated Clark County.

The Gaming Review Board announced today a set of rules for the casinos re-opening this month. The real death outcome is despite 50% occupancy limits and social distancing being enforced they will follow the CDC guideline prohibiting gatherings of 250 or more people until further notice.

It's not changing THAT rapidly. There is no known cure. Death and all.

[Iscah]

Even once everyday things start to open up again locally, expect limitations on large-scale travel to be around for longer. Preventing long distance (ie. interstate or international) movement of people without at least some degree of quarantine period introduces a huge risk of people transporting the disease into a place where it was previously under control, forcing a return to stricter prevention measures again. Non-essential travel isn't going to be as simple or permitted it was before - not for a long time yet.

Would you want them to hold a Fan Fest if only local people can hope to attend it, in a venue only permitted to hold a fraction of its normal capacity?

It's one thing to be hopeful that another event can be held sooner rather than later, but trying to come up with ways they can rush into it isn't really helpful. They shouldn't be doing that, and they sooner they tried to force it, the less "back to normal" and restricted it would be.

[Katalyn]

While its understandable that someone wants to dream about a brighter future thats not how your posts are coming across - at least not to me. I dont want to be rude, but your posts dont sound like you're just dreaming about attending the next fanfest as soon as possible, but more like suggesting ways that could happen at any cost. Your suggestion to change venues because California might not allow for large gatherings for longer than other states does sound dangerous and disrepectful to me at least. Maybe certain countries/states will be more careful - and perhaps to careful - when it comes to going back to normal. Maybe we'll reach a state where most of the world has gone back to normal and we know its safe but you have the odd super careful hold out. At that point your dreams might be warranted - when we can safely say "Okay, we've really got this under control, we can hold a fanfest safely, the only thing thats stopping us is this legal thing."

But right now thats nowhere near being the case, which makes you sound more disrespectful than wishful. Your suggestion (at least to me) sounds like "I hope they find a different venue as quickly as possible, in a state that will open it doors sooner than California" - while not entertaining the idea that California might have good reason to wait and that other states should follow that example.
Under the current circumstances you're not talking about a bright outcome, you're talking about an outcome that could potentially risk health and saftey by basically saying "California is wrong to not allow such a gathering, we should look elsewhere to hold it!"
And I dont know wether California is being to careful or not, but I'd rather have everyone being "to careful" right now. You're basically saying the opposite - and thats something I'd consider dangerous and careless.
You cant take the virus away from people, you cant bring back the dead and you cant turn back the clock. You can wish and dream, but sometimes its better to keep those wishes and dreams in your mind instead of arguing them in a public forum where you can easly come across as "I dont care about this virus, I just want my fanfest and if they cant hold it in California in the near future, they should just go window shopping!"
Maybe thats not your intention, but your posts can easly be understood this way - so I'm not surprised that people might be "upset" by them.

I'm saddened my posts come across that way. Obviously human life is more precious than anyhthing, and no event should be held if the health and safety of everyone in attendance can't be assured. It was never my intention to imply otherwise. I'm sorry to all those I may have offended or upset by coming across as wanting an event at the expense of the health and safety of those involved