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    DynnDiablos's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    Adjusting the original zones to account for flying will have taken up a lot of development time and resources so it'll be interesting to see what happens now that particular project is concluded.
    Such a negative outlook.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DynnDiablos View Post
    Such a negative outlook.
    I don't think it was meant as a negative outlook. To somewhat redo ARR and streamline the quest for the MSQ it definitely does take resources away from other things for FFXIV.

    Now I am interested to see what else they can bring now that the ARR revamp is completed and not as many resources being diverted to that project.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DynnDiablos View Post
    Such a negative outlook.
    ...not really? Since nothing I wrote in my previous post was negative. I was commenting on how it'll be interesting to see what happens next with the game's side projects.
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    Wish I didn't waste my time farming those weekly B rank hunts for mount speed scrolls these past few months.

    Either way flying is a welcome change as that is one of the big reasons I like this game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DynnDiablos View Post
    Such a negative outlook.
    But it’s right, we have been getting less content because of this. Not saying it in a bad way but now that it is done I can’t wait to see what comes next.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DynnDiablos View Post
    Such a negative outlook.
    How is that negative? The logic is as sound as not being able take five eggs from a basket that contains only four. Any and all time spent towards reworking old content is all time not spent on new content. There is no getting around that. How important was getting flying in the arr zones? You think the majority of players would take it over something like deep dungeon, or getting more 4 man dungeons during an expansion? These are things we've had to forego thus far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Delis View Post
    Why is it a bad move?
    To summarise various points: It kills can kill the exploration-taxonomy in maps, reduces the number of travelers on the map's land routes (socializer-taxonomy), and the flight system prioritizes A to B travel and ease of movement in an objective based system (no adventure, over trivializes aspects of travel example: bofuri ep 7 angel mode quest)
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    Quote Originally Posted by MPNZ View Post
    To summarise various points: It kills can kill the exploration-taxonomy in maps, reduces the number of travelers on the map's land routes (socializer-taxonomy), and the flight system prioritizes A to B travel and ease of movement in an objective based system (no adventure, over trivializes aspects of travel example: bofuri ep 7 angel mode quest)
    Exploration- Nothing is stopping you from exploring if you want to, it is not like it is being forced on you. Also it won't affect new players/characters since you have to go through the MSQ and finish the MSQ "The Ultimate Weapon" as one of the requirements so they will still have to go through ARR on the ground. It is not like new players will start out with flying.

    Reduces number of travelers on the land route (Socializing)- I mean I don't really see that many people on the land routes and how many people stop and chat? I am sure it's not a huge number. Again nothing stopping you from using the land routes and talking to the new players/characters that are running around the land.

    the flight system prioritizes A to B travel and ease of movement in an objective based system (no adventure, over trivializes aspects of travel example: bofuri ep 7 angel mode quest- If adventure is important to someone they can still use the land route and go explore and have an adventure, again this doesn't affect new players etc since you have to go through the ARR MSQ to unlock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Delis View Post
    Exploration- Nothing is stopping you from exploring if you want to, it is not like it is being forced on you. Also it won't affect new players/characters since you have to go through the MSQ and finish the MSQ "The Ultimate Weapon" as one of the requirements so they will still have to go through ARR on the ground. It is not like new players will start out with flying.

    Reduces number of travelers on the land route (Socializing)- I mean I don't really see that many people on the land routes and how many people stop and chat? I am sure it's not a huge number. Again nothing stopping you from using the land routes and talking to the new players/characters that are running around the land.

    the flight system priortitizes A to B travel and ease of movement in an objective based system (no adventure, over trivializes aspects of travel example: bofuri ep 7 angel mode quest- If adventure is important to someone they can still use the land route and go explore and have an adventure, again this doesn't affect new players etc since you have to go through the ARR MSQ to unlock.
    a&c) This is kind of moot since "convenience is king", so everyone will just fly regardless. Especially, in the post game stuff. And, the last content that was made to appeal to players in the explorer taxonomy outside of the MSQ was after the Copied Factory Alliance raid or the second volume of the lore book. And instead everyone is made to rush to acquire aether currents as quickly as possible, which leaves very little time to just take in the atmosphere and little incentive to pursue vistas, observe the make-up of the area design, mob behaviors, ponder lore, et cetera until way after the main story in which ppl would normally move on to other media or take a brake which is well after the initial excitement has dissipated. Oh, and the sightseeing log is just like okay-ish, and the potential loss of out of boundry areas paths or obstacles is a bit of a total downer

    b) The socializer taxonomy totally gets way more enjoyment from the people (socializer, killers taxonomies) within the game than the world itself (achievers, explorers taxonomies), and there is a lot of appeal to big cities or populated trade routes for many people, which is why Limsa is super popular. It also says that this game is active in the open world or in towns, which just appeals to most people (ask why loners live and enjoy living in cities)
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    Quote Originally Posted by MPNZ View Post
    a&c) This is kind of moot since "convenience is king", so everyone will just fly regardless. Especially, in the post game stuff.
    It's not a moot point. If an individual prefers convenience over exploration and seeing people on the ground, then they should not complain about new convenient travel options. If they don't prefer convenience, then nothing is forcing them to fly. There is no world pvp or competition for gathering nodes which would put that person at a disadvantage.
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