Theory on Zodairk and Hydylian

[Rasikko]

I just like that this is Granas and Valmar, FFXIV style.

Edit: The God and Devil in Grandia 2. Granas is defeated by Valmar, the exact opposite of the battle between the two Gods in FFXIV.

[Savagelf]

the next few chapter of this book will be interesting to say the least will the scion be brought home will Ryne be amoug them let hope so she kind grown on you and you would hate see her left behind, who is warrior of light in grand scheme of things.

[TalithaSolarien]

It's very unlikely that Ryne will come over with the Scions to the Source. Remember it's only their essence that is currently in the First. Also a good part of the Eden raids (hello Gaia) is a setup to give Ryne a companion so that the Scions can leave without too much bad conscience about leaving her alone.

[Savagelf]

I not sure the oracle of darkness will be there long, I believe that she may died at the end but in her death she push Ryne to source, I don't think she meant to be there long term character Eden is really powerful prime it could be use for this

Ryne is doing everything of eden for the first she opposite of while Ryne is caring younger woman the Gaia is selfish put what she want before anyone else. for once she will put Ryne need before her I believe it will be Gaia who send her to the source.

She be like Ryne for once be think what you want instead of the first. by give up her own life and the power of eden she use it to send Ryne to source

[Melichoir]

My thoughts on Hydaelin and Zodiark are they were both summoned in incomplete states that screwed everything up.

IIRC if you watch the cutscene at the end of the anamnesis anyder and count whos present (include the one in charge) theres only 13. Much like when summoning zodiark, there were 13 there too as teh 14th decided to not have any part of it. What people have to consider is why it was so important for there to be 14. Even when summoning hydaelin, they wanted the 14th from the convocation to join them but when they cant get that person, they proceed anyways. If you remember, primals can be summoned incorrectly or in incomplete states, and when that is done, theyre kind of screwed up and dont 'operate' as intended. I think in both cases, for everything to work as intended they needed 14, as it seems to be heavily implied that not having 14 people do it (or atleast the 14th member) that things will be a lot less ideal. With only 13 to summon zodiark, zodiark gets summoned but probably has issues or is incomplete. In Hydaelins case, she also gets summoned and her 'directive' is constrain/defeat zodiark. Which she does...by smashing the planet into 13 shards and a source. This is kind of like fixing a broken roof by burning down the entire building. Also keep in mind that the cores of both hydaelin and Zodiark are made of people, and therefore are also going to be imperfect as theyll have personal biases and perspectives that are very much grounded in being mortal.

In the end, I think its gonna mean were gonna have to eliminate hydaelin as well or we're gonna be the force that keeps balance between the two - as it shouldve been made clear with this xpac that the light can be as devastating as the dark. A lot of what were being shown (for better or worse) demonstrates that hydaelin isnt exactly on 'our' side. Shes doing things to her benefit. Case and point - the flood on the first. Stopping it seems like Hydaelin is doing the right thing. So shes a good guy...except after stopping it she really does nothing else. Stopping it is definitely in Hydaelins best interest as that completes her objectives, but she doesnt have to do anything else beyond that. When you consider her actions, theyre not always in 'our best interests'. As for being the 'mother crystal' I think thats a title we've given to hydaelin. She isnt our mother. Shes just another primal who we associate with because it seems like theyre in our better interest, at least on paper. In all instances I can thnk of, Hydaelin helps us because it helps her and her goals. It is very possible that when our goals and her goals are opposing one another, shes gonna try and throw us under the bus. Particularly since we're not really empowered by Hydaelin - The echo is something we have that she uses when necessary.

[Morningstar1337]

My thoughts on Hydaelin and Zodiark are they were both summoned in incomplete states that screwed everything up...

I can see that happening, but I must point out that she also gave us the Blessing of Light at least. Though conversely HW has shown that we don't really need it.

[Avidria]

My thoughts on Hydaelin and Zodiark are they were both summoned in incomplete states that screwed everything up.

Lot of interesting thoughts tbh. I could see that being the case.

Also, in the same vein as some of your points about Hydaelyn, it's interesting to consider

the implication of the latest msq that the echo is just constantly being broadcast to temper anyone who happens to have their latent abilities triggered by a starshower. Assuming I interpreted what happened, and what Elidibus was saying, correctly, that was sort of the vibe I got - that Hydaelyn was just constantly putting out a net to catch people she can use when she needs to. I don't trust him as far as I could throw an elephant, ofc, but it's a little bit of a grim way to look at Hydaelyn's methods.

[Melichoir]

I can see that happening, but I must point out that she also gave us the Blessing of Light at least. Though conversely HW has shown that we don't really need it.

The blessing of light is a bit ambiguous to exactly what it is. Maybe I misunderstood the latest MSQ stuff but

The Echo is inherent to us, and isnt gifted. It's essentially a fragment of the power of the Amoratines and the world which Emet and the other ascians originated from. As we become more 'complete' this power becomes stronger. If this is the case, it would also explain why the echo prevents tempering - It literally is god powers (a fragment of the very same power that could will things into existance), and since most primals are down stream of Amarotians power wise, tempering doesnt work on individuals with a strong enough Echo. What exactly then is the 'blessing of light'. As far as I can tell, its only a barrier or shielding Hydaelin provided us against Zodiark's powers in very specific situations.

Lot of interesting thoughts tbh. I could see that being the case.

Also, in the same vein as some of your points about Hydaelyn, it's interesting to consider
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Unless I misunderstood the MSQ (which I couldve), the Echo

is inherent to us, and isnt something gifted by Hydaelin. It is through the power of the echo that we can even hear Hydaelin. It is also the same echo that prevents tempering. Beyond that, yeah, Hydaelin is essentially shouting into the darkness, and gathering up anyone who can hear her call. She's not tempering us, but rather because people dont understand what the echo is or if they even have it, she can simply frame the encounter people have with her as "Oh, I called to you and gave you this special gift." Shes manipulating the situation for her own self gains. She requires people with this god level power to do her bidding and since people dont know any better, its pretty easy for her to manipulate them to do her will. Even if its in our interest, its pretty sinister.

[Savagelf]

when I imply that she a goddress it her desire to put you in Ezorath so your right she manipulate you but you benfitted for it. your character is alive it would be poor graduate to turn on what gave you life in first place not won't it be. seem me people confused they begin of the character life because they think they character just exsisted no you have you came into being because of Hydaelyn brought you into being. I guess people skip the cutescene where your float in a sea of aether forget who is speak to you who is called to you. forget that she put you in Ezorath must be more of manipulation your alive or maybe it her nature to bring her heart into being to protect life for that who would destroy it.

maybe if you kileld Hydaelyn your character stop exsist. that be funny concept, people are I want killed hydaelyn and they find out killed her mean end for they characters.

[Melichoir]

when I imply that she a goddress it her desire to put you in Ezorath so your right she manipulate you but you benfitted for it. your character is alive it would be poor graduate to turn on what gave you life in first place not won't it be. seem me people confused they begin of the character life because they think they character just exsisted no you have you came into being because of Hydaelyn brought you into being. I guess people skip the cutescene where your float in a sea of aether forget who is speak to you who is called to you. forget that she put you in Ezorath must be more of manipulation your alive or maybe it her nature to bring her heart into being to protect life for that who would destroy it.

maybe if you kileld Hydaelyn your character stop exsist. that be funny concept, people are I want killed hydaelyn and they find out killed her mean end for they characters.

Sorry was a bit hard to understand your point, but if I did get it right, it makes it worse - Youre brought into existance soley to do hydaelin's bidding. You dont have free will. Youre strictly a tool of Hyadelin and her quest to beat zodiark. Thats pretty messed up too. But this relies on the interpretation that your character didnt exist before the start of the MSQ. I dont think that's the case cause if youre a legacy character from 1.0, you have a different opening cutscene that implies you were around since 1.0.

You still have to consider that Hydaelins actions are what created the current situation. Yeah, she beat zodiark, but obliterated the 'original world' in the process. Obliterated that world with all the life that was on that world. As I said, fixed the roof by burning down the house, so there's no roof to fix anymore. She also pretty much leaves the first on the verge of extinction after stopping the flood. The WoL on the first do have the echo and should be able to 'hear' Hydaelin, so why wouldnt she step in and tell em "Hey, stop killing those things! Making everything bad!" Ive had a few thoughts about this so tinfoil hat time.

If Hydaelins primary directive is to beat and keep zodiark contained (and if we make the assumption that it's the source which she gives a rats ass about predominately), then the best way to beat the the ascians is to stop the rejoining by soft locking worlds. A big problem, in the Ascians plan is that the 13th is totally boned currently. If you need all the shards to rejoin, and the 13th is screwed up irreparably, the Asians are screwed already. But if that world already somehow rejoined, or theres something special about the 13ths situation, then Hydaelins best bet would be to screw up another world so badly it would prevent it from being rejoined. We know this is possible currently because the 13th shows this as being the case.

With that in mind, could it be possible that Hydaelin let what happened to the first happen, only to intervene to prevent it from fully rejoining and putting it in a position where if left alone long enough, itd get so screwed up that you couldnt rejoin it. Afterall, when you really think about it, Emet told us flat out that given time, they will win. Should their initial plans get stopped, theyll just wait it out and do it all over again down the line. So in that light, the first is still screwed. Even if you get Eden working again, Itd just take Elidibus time and careful planning to restart the rejoining again on the first. Itd probably be a lot easier considering how damaged the first is. So Hydaelins best bet? Soft Lock the shard to prevent it from being rejoined. Everything there dies? It's fine. A small sacrifice for the greater good. Do you think this thinking it far outside the mindset of the Amarotians, who make up Hydaelin and Zodiark's cores?

I could be completely 100% wrong. Hydaelin is teh good guy, Zodiark is the bad guy. Basic good vs evil story structure (even though it does appear that there is more of a yin/yang dichotomy that is going on between zodiark and hydaelin), but it is fun food for thought if there was more complexity and that Hydaelin is a lot worse than we think, and Zodiark is a lot less bad than we think.