Thornmarch Hard Mode critical bug, SE thinks there's insufficient information.

[Zumi]

It's not a bug here is why. In the video you didn't kill the little moogles before damaging the king past a certain point. If you trigger Memento before you kill at least 6 little of them its going to do high damage.

If you talking about when the sch died when the king moggle came out no mitigation was used such as sch shields, soil, or reprisal on the king. If you going in with low gear you going to need to use some of that.

[Matchakuchen]

It's not a bug here is why. In the video you didn't kill the little moogles before damaging the king past a certain point. If you trigger Memento before you kill at least 6 little of them its going to do high damage.

If you talking about when the sch died when the king moggle came out no mitigation was used such as sch shields, soil, or reprisal on the king. If you going in with low gear you going to need to use some of that.

Big brain.
This whole issue is about the transition BEFORE you have to kill every moogle and then the king.
literally the second he appears he cast the first memento mori which deals 3800 DMG, before 5.1/5.2. it would do under 300 dmg.

no brain acrobatics needed.

[Deceptus]

Big brain.
This whole issue is about the transition BEFORE you have to kill every moogle and then the king.
literally the second he appears he cast the first memento mori which deals 3800 DMG, before 5.1/5.2. it would do under 300 dmg.

no brain acrobatics needed.

Its amazing people still aren't grasping this. . . It's like for some reason they don't want it to be true.

IT"S LITERALLY THE FIRST MOVE THE KING DOES WHEN HE APPEARS FOLKS.

As in after the minion phase, you kill them all and then they revive the FIRST time and circle him banging their drums.

This is not some ultimate attack that should be one shotting people.

[Zumi]

Big brain.
This whole issue is about the transition BEFORE you have to kill every moogle and then the king.
literally the second he appears he cast the first memento mori which deals 3800 DMG, before 5.1/5.2. it would do under 300 dmg.

no brain acrobatics needed.

Like I said no mitigation was used when the king came out, the sch did not use soil or succor. If they are going in with a lower gear level you need to mitigate ultimate primal attacks and not do nothing. People learn that many bosses have ultimate attacks when they transition to their final phase and you should be using your shields and damage reduction abilities like soil.

This particular fight the damage can be can be out geared but if you do not have gear then you must use healer shields and damage reducing abilities. For new players its basically the same as doing it when the fight was new and you had to use shields to survive.

I just watched a video from 6 years ago where the sch used shields and soil and it hit people between 1.5k and 2k.

[Rita1989]

Like I said no mitigation was used when the king came out, the sch did not use soil or succor. If they are going in with a lower gear level you need to mitigate ultimate primal attacks and not do nothing. People learn that many bosses have ultimate attacks when they transition to their final phase and you should be using your shields and damage reduction abilities like soil.

This particular fight the damage can be can be out geared but if you do not have gear then you must use healer shields and damage reducing abilities. For new players its basically the same as doing it when the fight was new and you had to use shields to survive.

I just watched a video from 6 years ago where the sch used shields and soil and it hit people between 1.5k and 2k.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCcbKY7d0dc 2014 it does 131 with stoneskin lol

[Rae88]

Like I said no mitigation was used when the king came out, the sch did not use soil or succor. If they are going in with a lower gear level you need to mitigate ultimate primal attacks and not do nothing.

The item level on the duty finder states around 54. If they're health was around 3.8k their item level would be 80 to 90. Mitigation shouldn't be needed at that item level. I believe they have about 1000 more health points then they would otherwise have.

[RokkuEkkusu]

Like I said no mitigation was used when the king came out, the sch did not use soil or succor. If they are going in with a lower gear level you need to mitigate ultimate primal attacks and not do nothing. People learn that many bosses have ultimate attacks when they transition to their final phase and you should be using your shields and damage reduction abilities like soil.

This particular fight the damage can be can be out geared but if you do not have gear then you must use healer shields and damage reducing abilities. For new players its basically the same as doing it when the fight was new and you had to use shields to survive.

I just watched a video from 6 years ago where the sch used shields and soil and it hit people between 1.5k and 2k.

Video of it happening

Zumi, if you did watch the video from Deceptus as you claim, you clearly saw the party of the video creator knocking out all of the Moogles before the King came out. The result should have been Memento Moogle doing a pitiful amount of damage in which the whole party survives against the attack. However, it does a lot more damage than it should. [I quoted Deceptus's video link for reference as well.]

[Zumi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCcbKY7d0dc 2014 it does 131 with stoneskin lol

They took stoneskin out of the game though. So you have to use what is still in the game like succor.

[Rae88]

They took stoneskin out of the game though. So you have to use what is still in the game like succor.

The 1000 HP they got from their additional item level is by itself mitigation.

[Zumi]

Zumi, if you did watch the video from Deceptus as you claim, you clearly saw the party of the video creator knocking out all of the Moogles before the King came out. The result should have been Memento Moogle doing a pitiful amount of damage in which the whole party survives against the attack. However, it does a lot more damage than it should. [I quoted Deceptus's video link for reference as well.]

I saw it and the thing is the abilities in the game change over time. This is an ARR fight, we do not have protect anymore that cut a lot of damage, we do not have stoneskin which could eat almost the full amount of damage. But we do have sch and ast shields which we can use instead of protect/stoneskin which are not in the game anymore. All the sch had to do was cast succor and use soil and get through the fight. Because even at release an unmitigated attack was around 2.5-3k with just protect assuming no stoneskin or shields.

Basically what it boils down to is cast succor use soil in the current version of the game before the attack goes off.