Locking dyable artifact gear behind a extreme trial, good idea?

[DanteKardo]

Doing this was an incredibly bad choice.

Dyeable AF gear is something the entire community is interested in. They are cool looking armors after all.

High endgame content like the Ex Trials are comparatively a niche part of the game, that only a select percentage of players participate in.

Trying to 'force' the mass of players to participate in content they would never touch with a 10 foot pole is not smart game design or encouraging.

And that's just touching upon the 'obvious', general issue with this doesn't work. Then there's the peculiarities of Ex Trial logistics. Not everyone can afford to commit to a static. Not everyone is a teenager with 24/7 time on his hands. Alot of people have to schedule their gaming hours around their life, not the other way around.

This forces people into the Party Finder, which for EX-trials is simply dysfunctional. Practice parties barely if ever manage to get clears, because of simple arythmetics. EX-trial needs 8 people, Ex-trial can wipe if 1-2 people make a mistake. Chances someone will make a mistake in an EX trial are high. 8 people will consistently fail clearing through no fault of their own. Out of all these people, the few that make it suddenly consider themselves 'above the casul dirt', and start implementing insane demands for their PF's. 'Must know fight' (You didn't when you began), 'Ilvl 485+'. 'Disband on Wipe'. So on and so forth.

Survival of the fittest strategies are fine in PVP based content. Not in co-op based content.

[Mavrias]

Doing this was an incredibly bad choice.

Dyeable AF gear is something the entire community is interested in. They are cool looking armors after all.

High endgame content like the Ex Trials are comparatively a niche part of the game, that only a select percentage of players participate in.

Trying to 'force' the mass of players to participate in content they would never touch with a 10 foot pole is not smart game design or encouraging.

And that's just touching upon the 'obvious', general issue with this doesn't work. Then there's the peculiarities of Ex Trial logistics. Not everyone can afford to commit to a static. Not everyone is a teenager with 24/7 time on his hands. Alot of people have to schedule their gaming hours around their life, not the other way around.

This forces people into the Party Finder, which for EX-trials is simply dysfunctional. Practice parties barely if ever manage to get clears, because of simple arythmetics. EX-trial needs 8 people, Ex-trial can wipe if 1-2 people make a mistake. Chances someone will make a mistake in an EX trial are high. 8 people will consistently fail clearing through no fault of their own. Out of all these people, the few that make it suddenly consider themselves 'above the casul dirt', and start implementing insane demands for their PF's. 'Must know fight' (You didn't when you began), 'Ilvl 485+'. 'Disband on Wipe'. So on and so forth.

Survival of the fittest strategies are fine in PVP based content. Not in co-op based content.

My sloppiest clear of the new EX had 22 total deaths between the entire party. That's not "wipe if 1-2 people make a mistake" levels of difficulty. EX trials are not exactly niche content either. When i open PF during peak times and find nearly 5x as many EX parties as there are savage parties that tells me its not just the raiding community that does them.

"Must know the fight" is not an unreasonable demand for a farm party. ilvl 485+ is literally just "come on your main job that you have the most geared or be a savage raider on an alt." "Disband on wipe'" parties typically only do so if you wipe in the first phase, because it implies the party is not fit to work together. Wiping at the very end is usually forgiven.

In cooperative content people can still have expectations of teammates.