Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[reivaxe]

People call Shadowbringers a "Budget Expansion" because of the Missing Genders, the Pull Back of 2 Dungeons down to 1 per Major Patch, the lack of a Deep Dungeon, No New Healer Job, and I think people were harping about not having the Relic Questline sooner, and Ill bet people might harp "Budget" more now that Step 1 is a cakewalk and requires No effort this time.
I dont remember all of the Complaints, but thats a few I know of.

That's just people on these forums being the embodiment of whine as they refuse to apply any critical thinking and just "see thing being different, react at it". I follow tons of FF fb groups as well as tweeter players and other forums, this place is the only place pushing this narrative that I've seen.
Sure, SE cut back on Dngs. But they explained it, we have well over 70 and tbh they're only there for you to consume for a few weeks before ignoring them. SE has the data, they know what's up. Tis why Dngs are just mob tunnels now, they saw how poorly the player base reacted to the complex dngs of old that demanded you actually read stuff and solve puzzles. They know how often people run these and how much effort it takes to make them and figured that effort would be better spent else where.

New races have no hats and no opposite gender? They explained that to. Coulda easily made a "bunny race" and "tall buff cat" race with hats if they legit just made them look like kitty people instead of the Viera and Hrothgar we have. And 2 full races was never happening in 1 expac.

This expac has given so much ... from reworking crafting into something interesting to Ishgard restoration to Ocean fishing to the gathering zone to trust (love me some trust cause most of the reason to grind Dngs is glam ... and 55% of the time a trust is faster than a player party) to BLU updates to and joining that list is a relic quest that's actually interesting, engaging and connected to the MSQ. From Copied Factory to Eden, this has been a banger of an expac so far.

This is the kinda game where it's unreasonable to expect things not to change. The more jobs they make, the more weapons they will have to design and model and the more things they will have to balance around each other. Not just that, more jobs mean more job quest means more writing and more cut-scenes they have to work on. Tis why they decided to start fusing them. Everything added makes adding something new in the future that much harder ... I could tots see an expac where they only have 1 new job or no new ones and just massive changes to some old ones.

I'm fairly sure they're saving the likes of Female hrothgar and boi buns for the next MMO at this point cause if they already think they hit their limit on the amount of bodies they can support then IDK how that's gonna change in a year.

[zeylos]

That's just people on these forums being the embodiment of whine as they refuse to apply any critical thinking and just "see thing being different, react at it". I follow tons of FF fb groups as well as tweeter players and other forums, this place is the only place pushing this narrative that I've seen.
Sure, SE cut back on Dngs. But they explained it, we have well over 70 and tbh they're only there for you to consume for a few weeks before ignoring them. SE has the data, they know what's up. Tis why Dngs are just mob tunnels now, they saw how poorly the player base reacted to the complex dngs of old that demanded you actually read stuff and solve puzzles. They know how often people run these and how much effort it takes to make them and figured that effort would be better spent else where.

New races have no hats and no opposite gender? They explained that to. Coulda easily made a "bunny race" and "tall buff cat" race with hats if they legit just made them look like kitty people instead of the Viera and Hrothgar we have. And 2 full races was never happening in 1 expac.

This expac has given so much ... from reworking crafting into something interesting to Ishgard restoration to Ocean fishing to the gathering zone to trust (love me some trust cause most of the reason to grind Dngs is glam ... and 55% of the time a trust is faster than a player party) to BLU updates to and joining that list is a relic quest that's actually interesting, engaging and connected to the MSQ. From Copied Factory to Eden, this has been a banger of an expac so far.

This is the kinda game where it's unreasonable to expect things not to change. The more jobs they make, the more weapons they will have to design and model and the more things they will have to balance around each other. Not just that, more jobs mean more job quest means more writing and more cut-scenes they have to work on. Tis why they decided to start fusing them. Everything added makes adding something new in the future that much harder ... I could tots see an expac where they only have 1 new job or no new ones and just massive changes to some old ones.

I'm fairly sure they're saving the likes of Female hrothgar and boi buns for the next MMO at this point cause if they already think they hit their limit on the amount of bodies they can support then IDK how that's gonna change in a year.

Judging by how you say they explained that too, we could use the same analogy and they could remove all jobs from the game except the monk and give ti 1 ability, then they explain it and its fine?

This game is no where near being slightly close to perfection, and as such, we must give out any criticism or request we have, in a respectfull manner, if we want the game to succed. I dont get how ppl try to cancel negative comments that can only improve the game

[LaylaTsarra]

That's just people on these forums being the embodiment of whine as they refuse to apply any critical thinking and just "see thing being different, react at it". I follow tons of FF fb groups as well as tweeter players and other forums, this place is the only place pushing this narrative that I've seen.
Sure, SE cut back on Dngs. But they explained it, we have well over 70 and tbh they're only there for you to consume for a few weeks before ignoring them. SE has the data, they know what's up. Tis why Dngs are just mob tunnels now, they saw how poorly the player base reacted to the complex dngs of old that demanded you actually read stuff and solve puzzles. They know how often people run these and how much effort it takes to make them and figured that effort would be better spent else where.

New races have no hats and no opposite gender? They explained that to. Coulda easily made a "bunny race" and "tall buff cat" race with hats if they legit just made them look like kitty people instead of the Viera and Hrothgar we have. And 2 full races was never happening in 1 expac.

This expac has given so much ... from reworking crafting into something interesting to Ishgard restoration to Ocean fishing to the gathering zone to trust (love me some trust cause most of the reason to grind Dngs is glam ... and 55% of the time a trust is faster than a player party) to BLU updates to and joining that list is a relic quest that's actually interesting, engaging and connected to the MSQ. From Copied Factory to Eden, this has been a banger of an expac so far.

This is the kinda game where it's unreasonable to expect things not to change. The more jobs they make, the more weapons they will have to design and model and the more things they will have to balance around each other. Not just that, more jobs mean more job quest means more writing and more cut-scenes they have to work on. Tis why they decided to start fusing them. Everything added makes adding something new in the future that much harder ... I could tots see an expac where they only have 1 new job or no new ones and just massive changes to some old ones.

I'm fairly sure they're saving the likes of Female hrothgar and boi buns for the next MMO at this point cause if they already think they hit their limit on the amount of bodies they can support then IDK how that's gonna change in a year.

Very well stated. I totally agree with everything you're said.

[MelodyCrystel]

And again people completely ignore the purpose of this thread!
->Not to forget, there's an active thread going on where you can discuss aboud Shadowbringers-is-a-budget-expansion or however that topic is called. :facepalm:

Do something productive and post your characters in a bunny-suit or whatever you did ingame while Easter was a thing--- THAT would at least be somewhat close to the intention behind the support-male-Viera-idea. :steams steams steams:
( If my main was still a Lala, you had by now a cooked potato, really. :V )

[Theodric]

There's no need to make another one as this one is fine. FF isnt going anywhere either as this game has always had it's own audience and niche.

Assuming that the limitations holding back development are removed at some point during the next few years...then sure, there's no need for a fresh MMO. If, however, the game continues to be held back by limitations as we enter a new generation of consoles...then a fresh MMO would be very appealing. It wasn't so long ago that Square Enix sent out an e-mail survey asking players what they wanted to see in a new MMO. They could potentially be working on another MMO right now, in fact.

After playing FF7R, I'd be completely on board with an action based MMO making use of something similar to that game's combat system.

[Lauront]

I'm fairly confident they're already at the drawing board for their next MMO offering. I like 7R's system, and would not mind seeing it implemented in an MMO, provided adjustments were made e.g. to the magic system, since 7R is designed with the idea that anyone can use it, whereas an MMO would require a more class-specific design, and so this would need to be beefed up, but the overall experience is fun. Absent a new engine for XIV, I'd be keen on a new SE MMO.

[DBriggs304]

A new one overall I could see. A new FF MMO I couldn't see how both would survive in today's market. One of their other properties, maybe, but they would be known mainly to us as followers/fans of SE games. Anything is possible I suppose.

[Lauront]

They take a lot of time to develop. If they're thinking ahead, like they did with XI, it could even end up being a FF IP, although I do recall some murmurs from Yoshi that he'd like to do something completely new. I think we'll probably see more information on that front come late 6.0 or early 7.0, though.

[EtherRose]

Judging by how you say they explained that too, we could use the same analogy and they could remove all jobs from the game except the monk and give ti 1 ability, then they explain it and its fine?

This game is no where near being slightly close to perfection, and as such, we must give out any criticism or request we have, in a respectfull manner, if we want the game to succed. I dont get how ppl try to cancel negative comments that can only improve the game

Uh, no. What you just said was incoherent. Reivaxe explained it perfectly in his first sentence. "Refuse to apply critical thinking". Because first off, by going off what you said on using the same analogy is completely incoherent regarding just one class. It wouldn't make sense to do it and they wouldn't. They gave detailed explanations as to why some things are going the way they are pushing it - Dungeons,Races, etc., through interviews and notes. I don't know if you read these, i assume not as you are lost.

There is no such thing as a perfect game either. Because no matter, there will always be someone who "Whines". The community will always be split about what they want for the game and the developers will never win because you can't appease everybody. As for people trying to cancel negative comments that can "Improve" the game, it's because sometimes these comments have no logical or critical thought behind them. They may sound "Good" but in reality, not.

And yes, we must give criticism and feedback. But however, the saying goes "Just because you have the ability to open your mouth, doesn't mean you should" should apply to quite a few individuals throughout this forum. Take social media for example - countless people saying incoherent stuff. Now apply that to this forum in terms of feedback and criticism.

Sorry, i'm just sitting at work with absolutely nothing to do because of Covid-19 and my mind is racing. Just had to spew all this out. Nothing personal. It's just that i'm tired of people downplaying FFXIV because it doesn't "Have this or that" and "It should be this or that" and vice versa. Take the "Budget Expansion" thread for example. People are never happy and constantly whine even though they do try hard to appease everyone but simply can't. It irritates me. But this isn't about you, just getting it off my chest about the community in general.

[Iscah]

It's just that i'm tired of people downplaying FFXIV because it doesn't "Have this or that" and "It should be this or that" and vice versa. Take the "Budget Expansion" thread for example. People are never happy and constantly whine even though they do try hard to appease everyone but simply can't. It irritates me.

This. I'm tired of the degree of complaints - and that people can't seem to post neutral discussion threads. We don't get a thread about the relic quest, we get "the relic quest is too short!"; we don't get a thread discussing the relic weapons, we get "the WHM relic is awful and SE should have tried harder!"... there's nothing wrong with a neutral title then saying you didn't like it, but what did others think of it?

There's "constructive criticism" and then there's an endless flood of complaints from a forum full of people with incompatible opinions about how every single thing ought to be.