Locking dyable artifact gear behind a extreme trial, good idea?

[Savagelf]

I not surprise they did this first people complain about make artifact armour behind crafting then they doing as way get for hunt people complain about this then it was euqera people complain about this. sometime one who complain should hold they tongue because it may be not what they wish it. personality think they give you use tome to get it aswell hunt. that me personality

[Eldevern]

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That's the point. Nobody or rare people complain when Extrems get mounts or glowing weapon. People know how it works and it's not unfair (and we are still able to get the glamour later). Only few people complain that Savage get mount and dyable gear. Specific reward for specific content... that's fine.

The problem with the current AF is it comes halfway. The fact problem here is less due to the fact it is locked, it is it was not previsible, especially after Eureka and even more considering how Ex usually work : specific weapon and mount (even thought we can get them "for free" the next extension with "special" mog or soloing content when overstuffed -fight with a jail excepted-).

In fact I'm less disappointed by the lock than I'm bothered by the precedent they are creating with this weird EX reward. Because most people who don't do Ex will even less do an Ex for just a glamour (most of time, only one piece is interesting and we can find something to replace). And if it should happen the AF gear upgrade as the weapon, people who don't do Ex or Savage/Ultimate have no use of such upgraded gear since the tome/alliance/normal raid ones are more than enough.

[Vahlnir]

At first I saw what was required and thought "yeah, I'll have this cleared in a couple days and farmed after that". So I went and joined learning party after learning party, clear party after clear party, and I have come to the conclusion that it is simply a waste of my time.

I want my GNB set badly, and perhaps I will get it eventually. But that won't be right now, not while all the...unique individuals who can't seem to get past phase 1 in a clear party are trying to clear too. I will revisit this later. I know my stuff, but sadly it seems as though almost no one else does.

My opinion on the matter overall is that this was a really questionable decision on the dev's part. I had every intention of doing this, but...I value what sanity I have more. I hope that they add another way to obtain it in the future. Guess I'll be taking my break from the game after all. My sub money will go towards PSO2 stuff I guess. If your plan was to beat all my willpower out of me, SE, then you have succeeded with flying colors. But thanks for the relic weapon I guess!

Edit: As an aside, yes, I am rather salty. I'm fully aware of that. But it took a lot for me to get to this point. I wanted to take a break from the game for a few days before finally posting about this, so that it wasn't 150% more salt when I did.

[EaMett]

At first I saw what was required and thought "yeah, I'll have this cleared in a couple days and farmed after that". So I went and joined learning party after learning party, clear party after clear party, and I have come to the conclusion that it is simply a waste of my time.

I want my GNB set badly, and perhaps I will get it eventually. But that won't be right now, not while all the...unique individuals who can't seem to get past phase 1 in a clear party are trying to clear too. I will revisit this later. I know my stuff, but sadly it seems as though almost no one else does.

My opinion on the matter overall is that this was a really questionable decision on the dev's part. I had every intention of doing this, but...I value what sanity I have more. I hope that they add another way to obtain it in the future. Guess I'll be taking my break from the game after all. My sub money will go towards PSO2 stuff I guess. If your plan was to beat all my willpower out of me, SE, then you have succeeded with flying colors. But thanks for the relic weapon I guess!

Edit: As an aside, yes, I am rather salty. I'm fully aware of that. But it took a lot for me to get to this point. I wanted to take a break from the game for a few days before finally posting about this, so that it wasn't 150% more salt when I did.

PF was never good with non-telegraphed mechanics. To be expected.

[Kraniel]

Then is it also unfair that someone who doesn't want to PvP can't get the Frontline wins Leader Coat? Or someone who doesn't like fashion report can't get the short-shorts from the vendor? You can get it if you just wait, is not an invalid argument. Like I said the part of the rewards for those doing savage as it is current is that they get that dyable glamour piece right away, if they so choose. Everyone else can get it later, easily. Just as with mounts and titles. The only exception is Ultimate titles and weapon glamours, as Ultimate fights cannot be done unsynced.

That thread had plenty of hardcore raiders in support for delaying savage for a week or two. In fact, most of the people in that thread period (in either position of the discussion) were savage raiders.

No, i don't think that's unfair. If you remember my previous post, i clearly said that i think locking a whole different set of gear behind hardcore content is another story.

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Which allows me to reply to you as well, because i agree with what both of you said, and that was not my point.
I'm fine with specific sets of gear, mounts, and weapons being locked behind hardcore content. In fact i think it makes complete sense. What i think is a bad design choice is specifically the concept of locking the "dye" option of pre-existing gear behind it. This should not be a thing and honestly, the only reason it is, is most likely because of time constraints on SE side.

And i also agree with the fact that another part of the community will even find it less motivating to do extreme content if the only reward is dyeable gear.

Like i said, i am convinced there are other options that can be explored when it comes to hardcore content rewards. In the end, the only thing that matters is that hardcore players still feel rewarded for what they do, while the others have the ability to dye gear they already own.

[BunniEclair]

Edit: As an aside, yes, I am rather salty. I'm fully aware of that. But it took a lot for me to get to this point. I wanted to take a break from the game for a few days before finally posting about this, so that it wasn't 150% more salt when I did.

Lol I feel you on this. I had fantastic luck with progging parties but as soon as I put “clear” in my PF people came out of the woodwork who had never even stepped in there before, lied about it, and then failed every mechanic in phase one like they thought nobody would be able to tell...it was my first ever total disband and I had to decompress with some Animal Crossing.

I did end up clearing the next evening, but only after getting a party together of 7/8 FC membs and a great tank from PF. I hope you can come back eventually and get your gear. The GNB set is really awesome!

[Duskane]

At first I saw what was required and thought "yeah, I'll have this cleared in a couple days and farmed after that". So I went and joined learning party after learning party, clear party after clear party, and I have come to the conclusion that it is simply a waste of my time.

I want my GNB set badly, and perhaps I will get it eventually. But that won't be right now, not while all the...unique individuals who can't seem to get past phase 1 in a clear party are trying to clear too. I will revisit this later. I know my stuff, but sadly it seems as though almost no one else does.

My opinion on the matter overall is that this was a really questionable decision on the dev's part. I had every intention of doing this, but...I value what sanity I have more. I hope that they add another way to obtain it in the future. Guess I'll be taking my break from the game after all. My sub money will go towards PSO2 stuff I guess. If your plan was to beat all my willpower out of me, SE, then you have succeeded with flying colors. But thanks for the relic weapon I guess!

Edit: As an aside, yes, I am rather salty. I'm fully aware of that. But it took a lot for me to get to this point. I wanted to take a break from the game for a few days before finally posting about this, so that it wasn't 150% more salt when I did.

i really dont blame you my alt is on same DC and it was much more of a hassle to clear than it was on my main i never saw enrage till i did it on my alt

[Alleo]

At first I saw what was required and thought "yeah, I'll have this cleared in a couple days and farmed after that". So I went and joined learning party after learning party, clear party after clear party, and I have come to the conclusion that it is simply a waste of my time.

I want my GNB set badly, and perhaps I will get it eventually. But that won't be right now, not while all the...unique individuals who can't seem to get past phase 1 in a clear party are trying to clear too. I will revisit this later. I know my stuff, but sadly it seems as though almost no one else does.

And this is exactly the problem that SE created with putting something like dyable artifact gear behind an extreme fight. Those with a static will just do it like always and might not even find it that hard. They will be done with it fast and if nobody wants the gear they have no reason to farm it.

Those ex players that try it without a static will have a harder time..because now you will have more of the casual players in there that simply might not be good enough but are kinda forced if they want it. This will be bad for those hardcore raiders because like you they might lose their sanity with that. And for everyone else they will just fail again and again, might not learn much and then cant clear it and if its death content after a while wont even get the price..which in turn might turn away more people from ever trying harder stuff again.

[EaMett]

The relic stuff, be it weapon or gear were meant as an alternative for non high end raiders. That way you could gear up without the need to run savage. It's akin to tomestone gear. You have access to some of it and with time can even upgrade them by running more casual content. The issue seems to be that the idea of casual content for many seems different from that of SE. 24-man is casual content, ex trials are the top level of casual content. This time around SE went with the ex trial. It's about average on the difficulty level, literally only spread / stack mechanics coupled with one of 3 other mechanics.
It's true that everything is un-telegraphed which might make it a little more tedious but the dps check is so lenient that you can afford a lot of screwups. There is some precedence here as previous relics had you going into things like sophia and sephiroth which, on normal mode and at the ilvls at the time, weren't exactly simple either (though admittedly not this difficult).

This time around the weapon is a 30mn investment so they made the gear the time sink and grind.
Unless you're fighting with severe anxiety this ex is just a time sink, you go at it until you learn the fight, then you farm it. Even with terrible PF luck I guarantee you you'll spend fewer hours getting it than any of the relic steps from past iterations. So just treat it as a simple grind.

[Alleo]

@Ea: And this is already a problem. You think that Ex trials are still casual, but in my opinion (for example) they are not. Anything that needs a party with plans (and training or/and guide) is not casual anymore.