Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Miste]

Ok so correct me if I'm wrong, but those green meteor markers are not only safe, but also meant to be put close to each other, to avoid bigger boom across the arena? It can't kill you unless you stay there till they explode, leaving them close to each other can't kill you..

Yeah, best idea is to put the meteors on top of each other near edge of arena.

I was at the south edge, he put his 5 character lengths directly in front of me way closer to the middle of the arena to block me in. At first I didn't assume he was trying to kill me....until after this when he immediately purposefully killed himself and used return again. Then I was like, ah...I see.




mnk--> o



me--> o so I had to dodge sideways towards the east cardinal instead of going north as usual
South Edge

[Neoom]

I was at the south edge, he put his 5 character lengths directly in front of me way closer to the middle of the arena to block me in. At first I didn't assume he was trying to kill me....until after this when he immediately purposefully killed himself and used return again. Then I was like, ah...I see.

Oh I see, then it must have been done with bad intention. :/

[KaleShibata]

Uh, doing stuff like this has always been reportable. Using Shirk to maliciously put enmity on another player is toxic play plain and simple no matter what hoop-jumping reasoning someone comes up with to justify it. I mean that's a no-brainer. It doesn't even matter what the other player was doing since stooping to someone else's level doesn't absolve one's own behaviour. Calling reporting said behaviour toxic and "silent harassment" is what is toxic. If someone doesn't want to get reported for acting like a jerk in-game then they should not act like a jerk in-game. It doesn't get any simpler than that. If someone is experiencing a recent greater number of warnings then they may want to examine their own behaviour for the explanation.

i never said it was ok, only that silent harassment is now the new thing ergo an entire party trolling one person for their percived failures rather than discussing anything bercause you can be reported for someone taking offence. getting kicked all the time without explanation, people bullying others with parses by doing the above mentioned things.

The systems a wreck and they need to reorganzie that list and tighten it the crap up. i shouldn't be reportable and punishable for telling someone nicely how to do something just because i don't pay their sub. the gms are basicly telling people just keep your mouth shut and play the game. we shouldn't be in that kind of state in any game because it just increases toxicity that skirts the rules but in far more disruptive ways.

[Miste]

Hm...now, I wasn't there so naturally I'm taking everything you're saying with a grain of salt. But I will say this, when it comes to stuff like this (assuming that what you wrote out is EXACTLY what happened)...yes the Monk was in the wrong without a doubt,

I rarely post in here, rarely post at all anymore actually, so I am not really in the habit of making up stories just to post. So, yes, the entire thing happened exactly how I said. I was so extremely confused by this player's behavior that I decided to share it. It was honestly the most bizarre and crazy thing I have seen so far to be honest...and I've been playing since 1.0.

but the returning really seemed like it was an innocent, honest mistake. Not gonna lie to you user Miste, to send three messages was too much, and I'm sure you gave off bit of an uptight/slightly overbearing vibe, even if you didn't mean to. I'm not sure why so many of you do this in this game, but being overly polite actually makes things worse most of the time. It gives off the impression that you're trying to speak to your peers from a higher place/act like you're superior to them, which would rub anyone the wrong way (once again, I know this probably wasn't your intention, all I'm saying is this is probably how the Monk viewed it). Now, the way the Monk reacted was pretty ridiculous and definitely didn't help the situation, but please, anytime you give out "tips" try to do it in the most chill/laidback way possible. Talk to people like genuine friends, not like you're their overseer.

Seen this exact scenario you wrote out happen like 50+ times, no exaggeration. And in almost every case, both parties shared the blame. Party 1 for giving an unpleasant/bossy vibe, and Party 2 for reacting in a way that just made the situation worse...take care and game on.

I disagree. It was only 3 short messages, one being 5 minutes apart because we were still trying to 3 man the boss, it wasn't like I was hounding them, not to mention the last message I sent was only sent because the Monk refused to communicate anything. So to claim three messages was too much is just your opinion, and while I can respect it, I don't agree.

This is a cooperative style game, a MMO, communication helps teams get through the content. I asked the Monk because, with the other two members being returners and we are in a leveling dungeon, I wasn't sure if the Monk knew that we had Raise available to us.

So, incase they died again I figured I should let them know not to return. If they had simply replied when I asked what happened and said "sorry, my bad" or "made a mistake there", or even "didn't mean to", then all would have been totally fine since the answer allows everyone else to understand what really happened, but since they ignored me, and kept totally silent, I added the point not to use return if they die because I wasn't sure if they knew we had Raise...because they aren't communicating so I don't know if they know or not.

I disagree I am partially to blame for their behavior. All I did was ask them not to return and wait for a raise. You can't be a wet paper bag online, I even struggle with that sometimes too, but this level of fragility is beyond even my comprehension. No insulting language was used, nothing I said warranted that kind of ridiculous petty spiteful reaction.

Mistakes happen, that is totally fine, but thing is if you make a mistake then own it. Own the mistake. Don't lash out at other people due to your own mistake just because they asked you what happened. Pulling a boss and having a party member instantly die in the first 30 seconds then proceed to hit return....this is a valid thing to question. If it was a mistake then it was a mistake, but it is still a very confusing situation, especially considering you have to hold the button down to return.

So I disagree that I share blame, the blame is on them for overreacting to the entire thing. If the Monk viewed my text as an insult then that is also their mistake, so in the end its all on them. If you are that fragile that you shatter into pieces over someone asking you a question, then when getting zero response clarifies that we have raise so don't return, then....I don't know, they shouldn't be playing MMOs at that point. I have never seen a more severe ridiculous response to just 3 short lines of benign text, ever.

[tinythinker]

So, my first run of Monastery I had no issue with the shield for the one boss. Placed it facing boss, didn't move. Did the same thing a little while ago, got knocked back twice with damage and debuff. I mean maybe it's some random off thing once, maybe, but two times when on my screen it was fine? Is it one of those moves where if you are even *slightly* late, even though the animation from the boss hasn't started yet you are already too late?

[Enla]

So, my first run of Monastery I had no issue with the shield for the one boss. Placed it facing boss, didn't move. Did the same thing a little while ago, got knocked back twice with damage and debuff. I mean maybe it's some random off thing once, maybe, but two times when on my screen it was fine? Is it one of those moves where if you are even *slightly* late, even though the animation from the boss hasn't started yet you are already too late?

Lag can mess you up there from time to time. I usually toggle it at 80% of the cast bar just to be safe because there's been a few instances where doing it at 90% ended up being a toss up between whether or not I'd get hit or remain safe. If you also try to move or use a skill too soon it does take away the shielding ability as well.

[RyuSaarva]

So, my first run of Monastery I had no issue with the shield for the one boss. Placed it facing boss, didn't move. Did the same thing a little while ago, got knocked back twice with damage and debuff. I mean maybe it's some random off thing once, maybe, but two times when on my screen it was fine? Is it one of those moves where if you are even *slightly* late, even though the animation from the boss hasn't started yet you are already too late?

yes, if you get hit by aoe...you get hit by it, move out of them before the castbar finishes.

[tinythinker]

yes, if you get hit by aoe...you get hit by it, move out of them before the castbar finishes.

???

This is a specific mechanic where you place a magically summoned shield facing the boss then wait for the attack to hit. It's not AoE.

[TheForce]

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I see, read through your whole response, and I agree with some of it. However, the main problem that I'm seeing here is that you're really only seeing this from your point of view (by the way I'm not excusing what the Monk did in the runs following the one when he returned the first time, that was just petty, I'm just trying to bring to your attention how that could possibly kind of rub anyone the wrong way). I agree that this is a cooperative game and we need to work together with each other, but that also means that you have to watch your company and work around their personalities. Now this can be super hard, but we should still at least try.

For example, whem the Monk didn't reply the first time, you really should've just left it at that and assumed that he knows he shouldnt have returned. Not a big deal, small mistake, it's whatever. Him not giving an answer is a very clear answer, he didn't feel like talking (which he's not forced to by the way, just as long as he tries to listen). I'm sorry but you and I just will not agree that sending 2 additional messages after that was the right move. Even if you personally don't see a problem with it, you just gotta understand that a lot of people would be kind of annoyed by that. And like I said earlier, in a team you have to be conscious of stuff like that, and with all due respect, claiming that 3 messages is okay is also merely just your opinion. All we have are just opinions, but as a team we have to be do our best to be mindful of everyone else's. Once again, I'm not excusing what the Monk did, he took it way too far, but I can definitely understand why he didn't reply after the third message.

Also...man you seem kind of harsh, relax dude...
saying stuff like "fragile ego", and getting kind of snarky when you said "I am not really in the habit of making up stories when I post.", like I'm not accusing you of lying, the key word in what I said earlier was "naturally", meaning, that's a instictual reaction whenever I hear stories of events I wasn't present for. And I don't like how you're not even attempting to see it from their point of view, yes, they were objectively wrong, without a doubt, but at least acknowledge things that you personally could've done different to keep the peace. Self reflection is always a good thing, even when you were mostly right.

[Cincierta]

Just got out of a run on roulette as whm where I had another booster, this time a random drk in Aery. We begged and pleaded with him to turn it on at the start of the dungeon (which he didn't bother to) and after the first small pack. We even gave him the simple command line to turn it on since he couldn't find it. We even went as far as using auto-translate, which unfortunately got the mch killed while I was trying to auto-translate for the tank. His response?

'no' 'Can we go' 'it's my first time here you hop off or kick me out'

The last comment made me realize this tank gave absolutely no sh*ts for the other people in his party, or the fact that SE got the best deal out of the guy for forking over that much cash.

This was on top of him not bothering to even read his skills. He left after we continued to plead with him to turn on Grit and how to do it. SE please PLEASE, make booster tutorials mandatory for people who buy your mogstation stuff for this.