Shadowbringers starting to feel like a budget expansion

[TheForce]

So a relic in an hour is better than a bunch of hours of interesting content? Despite the fact that in addition to weapons you received a bunch of other awards, mounts, emotions, pets, etc.

In my opinion, yes.
Why? Because it is one weapon. Literally just one of the many, many things that I'm grinding to obtain. I don't want to have to spend 20,30 hours + just worrying about a weapon when I also am trying to get my full armor set, craft the best gear/food/etc., mining/harvesting, do some mount farming, do housing stuff, farm Varis X for AF gear, grind MGP, and the list goes on...

Enough already. Final Fantasy 14 has seen enough grind. It's time for a break, and that's exactly what happened.

[TheForce]

It wasn't terrible content. It was actually pretty successful and it still well populated if you took the time to look. It may have not been your thing but plenty of people did it and like me many enjoyed the content. The one thing relics have in common is that people will complain about them regardless of the expansion or the particular patch in question.

This patch spent a lot of resources developing a story which many complained was not present in Eureka. One has to want and see how the relic pans out and what is to come. I for one have been busy getting the relics for my alts and am not done yet. I do hope for a real grind and I'm confident one is coming. Can't wait for the complaint threads when that reality sets in. Already getting a lot of that for the Extreme trial and dyeable AF armor.

That's your opinion, and you're entitled to it. But my opinion is that Eureka is atrocious content that made this game tedious and wearisome.

[LaylaTsarra]

That's your opinion, and you're entitled to it. But my opinion is that Eureka is atrocious content that made this game tedious and wearisome.

Yes it is my opinion and you're entitled to yours. I don't buy your disregard for it but then again you can think and feel however you like. The fact of the matter is lots of people did it and many still are. I know I earned a WHM relic with an alt pre patch.

[TheForce]

Yes it is my opinion and you're entitled to yours. I don't buy your disregard for it but then again you can think and fell however you like. The fact of the matter is lots of people did it and many still are.

To be fair, I don't really buy your enjoyment of it either. And I don't deny that, one of my good friends is in love with Eureka and always tried to get me to do it with him. I don't want to like, invalidate his feelings about the place, so I try not to even talk about it with him most of the time.

[Duskane]

Varis really is a very easy Extreme not Lackshimi or rathalos Easy but definitely one of the easiest ones there is
and i did it in DF
still a good fight tho enjoyment doesn't always have to relate to difficulty

[DevilsDontFly]

Here comes defend squad, they jumped out of the plane, did a hero landing and proudly telling everyone that a less content to do is a great idea.
One says that doing 1 dungeon instead of 2 somehow increased quality, but it's still wall to wall pull fiesta, so AI could handle it.
Other one used copypasta about 74 dungeons and that we should get less following by that logic, because somehow old content should be viable again for some reason.
And the last one comparing hunts to 4 man content.
They like avengers, but with red noses.

When did I say we should be getting less dungeons? I just compared to other MMOs and said I don't recall others having more and that the one game I could recall started to reduce them as well, not that having less is the way to go.
All I said is that I personally don't mind it. I welcome more content, but I don't mind it the way it is right now. Chill, dude.

[dinnertime]

It's funny that people are suddenly saying they love Eureka and they want it to come back when last expansion there's constant threads about it saying it's the worst thing ever and that the devs should stop continuing it.

I mean yeah, the relic grind this time is pretty short, but they can improve/extend the grind in a more engaging manner. A zone with the only thing to do there is just killing X amount of trash mobs to spawn a FATE in a new coat of paint is not really "interesting" content I'd want them to revisit, and most people did as well.

[Lersayil]

It's funny that people are suddenly saying they love Eureka and they want it to come back when last expansion there's constant threads about it saying it's the worst thing ever and that the devs should stop continuing it.

I mean yeah, the relic grind this time is pretty short, but they can improve/extend the grind in a more engaging manner. A zone with the only thing to do there is just killing X amount of trash mobs to spawn a FATE in a new coat of paint is not really "interesting" content I'd want them to revisit, and most people did as well.

I disliked Anemos and Pagos greatly. I would still like to have something like them over the lack of max level content we currently have. Even if its not attached to the relic.

Preferably I would like something much better, but its better than nothing.

[reivaxe]

So a relic in an hour is better than a bunch of hours of interesting content?

This is a common yet completely out of context whine I see.

In SB they gave us Eureka Anemos ... which (regardless of Eureka eventually turning into the best bit of Social combat content added to this game IMHO) started out players on such a sour note that upon realizing the level of GRIND it took just to go up a few levels many casuals turned their nose up at it and never came back, content with just whining about how they don't get a relic this expac. No matter the nerfs which made anemos decent, not matter how much praise the 3rd and 4th zones got after SE found out how to make it actually fun, no matter the rewards ... MANY casuals just never came back because of that first impression. And because they never wanted to come back people whined that they didn't like that new mounts and hair styles were locked behind it cause god forbid SE actually reward people for doing time-sink content.

So what's happening now? We have a relic story that's connected to events in the MSQ. We have an engaging, interesting story featuring a cast of known characters, lore behind a new race, an EX encounter and such. Way more welcoming than Anemos. What's coming next? We have some kinda eureka like exploration zone coming next with the option to grind your shiny weapon out without touching it apparently according to the devs. IDK why people can't appreciate what good they've gotten as they wait for the mindless non-sense grind they can complete later.

This is a P2P game, your time sink is coming. Seems clear to me that they're making the intro to these weapons easy so that people are actually willing to put up with the grind later and/or are more tempted to give the eureka like stuff a chance once it's ready.
I think it's actually very sneaky on their part, like a drug dealer giving you the first hit for free. You end up with 10+ weapons right now and it's gonna be hard to NOT want to complete 10+ weapons when things get grindy. Where as with Eureka even someone like myself who LOVES what it became was content to leave it at 1 completed weapon for a long time cause "I don't wanna deal with Pagos again ...".

But that's just me though.
IMO every relic before eureka was just a failure in design that didn't grab me. Tis why the Eureka relic are the only one I completed, it actually demanded you interact with others and learn new stuff. Why anyone wants the devs to tell them to run the same old dngs over and over again just to give them "something to do" is beyond me.

[Eldevern]

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To be fair, grinding and farming never is something that interesting or fun, whatever the content you consider. It is rather a matter of motivation in the instant.

We can only assume some people prefer Ex farm and some others prefer mobs/fates farm. Some people don't really mind both but some other can't deal with a side or another. People who like Ex will say that people who prefer mobs/fate grind are just frightened by Ex. The reality is Ex and mobs/fates farm don't require the same kind of time investment. For Ex you need to be ready to invest... 2 or 3hours, sometimes more, in one run (let's say one "training/farm party"). Contents like Eureka, you can spend one hour, two hours, you can come only an half. Ex vs mobs/fates farm, if the global time needed ends to be the same, the time management can be pretty different.

Mobs/fates farm allow more liberty for time management, it is also more tolerant to latency matters.
Ex are probably more fun in the eyes of people who have a static or who don't mind to wait one (or more) hour the PF fill.