Locking dyable artifact gear behind a extreme trial, good idea?

[thegreatonemal]

Yes but that was raid glamor not your basic job gear, this is an unfortunate first.

It's not a first HW AF gear was locked behind a savage fight.

[LalafellDown]

I like this relic step it’s way better than eureka or fate grind RNG. The only thing I hate about this relic step is having to count on others to know the extreme fight. I joined a random Raid Finder group that managed to clear at the last second. This group of individuals learned from their mistakes and with each failure we progressed to clear. The final run had 20min left and half the group was dead in phase 2. The healers kept raising. I’m glad we didn’t abandon because unknown to us 30 minute later we would clear. I was happy that the developers made this fight more forgiving to death.

Usually I’m in groups where people quit after 2 or 3 fails. If everyone sticks with it to the 20 minute mark there’s a higher chance of clearing if progress is made after each death.

[Halivel]

Yes but that was raid glamor not your basic job gear, this is an unfortunate first.

EX Trial is not a first precedent tho. There was a HW AF gear locked behind Savage (hey Pepsiman). They added opportunity to buy upgrading items for Alliance coins later, yes, but at first it was locked behind one of the hardest battles in the game that were present at that time.

[dinnertime]

people are willing to git gud to beat content they want to do not for content they are forced to do.



Doing something you like and/or with friends =/= something you don't like with strangers.

...You're not exactly forced to do this content?

And it's not like you can't do this with your friends either.

[wereotter]

It's not a first HW AF gear was locked behind a savage fight.

It was... for like a few weeks....

You could get dyable gear as soon as Void Ark came out. There's nothing at the moment to indicate that dyable artifact gear will be available outside the savage fight this time around.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

It was... for like a few weeks....

You could get dyable gear as soon as Void Ark came out. There's nothing at the moment to indicate that dyable artifact gear will be available outside the savage fight this time around.

Void ark released almost 6 months later.


A bit more than "a few weeks"


Also, the extreme fight is not anywhere close to savage level.

[Melichoir]

....Also, the extreme fight is not anywhere close to savage level.

This sentiment is the one that needs to be stressed. Its not even EX levels of EX. You can literally get a few stacks of vulns and still survive mechanics. What weve been seeing with EX and Savage is that more than 1 stack of vuln can be nearly fatal with Savage and EX content when it's current, yet here it's get 2-3 stacks and still be fine so long as a tank uses reprisal or something. There is only 2 mechanics that will outright wipe your group and theyre very lenient. You can have 5 or 6 deaths and not DPS LB and not even see the enrage if youre a decent group. We're not talking people whove cleared e8s and are ilvl 49X or something. 475-480 gear is more than sufficient to beat this. They even give you a 485 weapon before you even jump in. Literally hand you one.

This is content virtually anyone can do. It seems super hard and complex at a distance, but you get into it and practice, you realize it's not to hard. It's probably more memorization than the average EX, but it is very doable.

[Mavrias]

To be frank, my advice to those who desperately want the dyeable job gear is to network with friends and free companies and the variety of fellowships in game and discords you can find to try and clear the content. The fight itself is not very hard, just needs to be learned, as anything else does. The dps check is rather lenient. If you are worried about potential toxicity (grossly overstated), there are a variety of discords specifically for teaching people who want to get the rewards from midcore and hardcore content.

Worst comes to worst, you can always get the glamour next expansion when the fight can be done unsynced. That's what plenty of people who are unable to raid or uncomfortable with it do to get glamour pieces from Alexander and Omega savage.

[WhyAmIHere]

The trial is fun, but I dont understand WHY they did this? There's no reason. The gear is 480; anyone who cares about gear atm is already at 480 from Eden, crafted gear, or they are higher then that. The casual players who do the relic stuff for glamour don't do ex, and this is pretty challenging for players who don't usually do extremes. There's no incentive past beating it once to even do it again if you don't care about the gear (except like a TT card...).
I'd be fine with them locking it behind a trial like this if the gear was, say, 485. But it's not.

This.
I'm on-board with the side of "this isn't okay just to get glamour gear," and I'm definitely not what anyone'd consider as casual.
I'm just burned out at this point. The gear isn't anything but glamour at this point, so what even was the rationale behind locking glamour gear behind an EX trial that, once you get what you want out of it, there's no incentive to even do it any more? It'll end up like BLU content where if you miss out during the initial rush good luck ever getting a consistent group to do it down the road.
Aside from that why is it just the armor? I was wanting to dye the GNB AF4 Lionheart, but nope.

[Sesera]

...You're not exactly forced to do this content?

And it's not like you can't do this with your friends either.

Unless I'm missing something you can't get it without doing EX.

I don't care about the AF myself, I do cosplay character with level 1 gear and usable by all jobs.

But just because its not my problem doesn't mean I cant understand there is people who have different tastes and their friends if they have some might not be interested in doing that content.

Good for you if you like EX and your friends too but please understand not everybody share your experience.