Locking dyable artifact gear behind a extreme trial, good idea?

[Infindox]

To respond to some people on here, it's not so much that they made something more challenging. (Which I'm actually glad for) It's the fact that they made it completely pointless. People who need gear are probably already past this or use Eden/crafted/tome gear. There's nothing for Savage level players to come and get.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

To respond to some people on here, it's not so much that they made something more challenging. (Which I'm actually glad for) It's the fact that they made it completely pointless. People who need gear are probably already past this or use Eden/crafted/tome gear. There's nothing for Savage level players to come and get.

But I thought glamour was the true endgame.

[Fhaerron]

If you're in Savage exclusively I think most would consider you hardcore. I think you need to get some perspective. You've clearly been doing some of the hardest content in the game and have forgotten what it's like to be newer.

I would not consider current Savage to be the hardest content in the game. Coils, Alex and Omega (though also easier then the first two) are considered to be much more difficult, jobs were also 'harder' to play correctly and you had much more abilities to use.
Yoshi himself did say that he wanted more people to do Savage, I believe this was the reason it's been made more accessible. At the same time we now also have Ultimate difficulty for people who want to enjoy a harder difficulty then Savage.


What do you understand about 'Hardcore'?
First week > 4 nights of 4 hours raid time, first 2 bosses down.
Second week > 4 nights of 4 hours raid time, 3 bosses down and prog on Shiva.
Third week > 4 nights of 4 hours raid time, up to second phase Shiva.
Fourth week> 3 nights of 4 hours and Shiva down.
(there was 1 Sunday we went for 6 hours, I think that was in the third week but I don't fully recall when it was)
This is not hardcore.
Besides, I work full time, go the the gym and have other real life responsibilities So I won't even have the time to do much more.


Look at all the worlds first and first week clears, those are people who take vacation from work and do nothing else then raid full days.
Last, there's also hundreds and hundreds of people playing much better then me, so I cannot see how I'm hardcore with this little time in raids and my personal skill level in this game.


I take enjoyment in harder things (I also like the souls games and other single player games I can put on harder difficulties), I wipe a lot but the more we wipe the more excitement I get and the more fun I eventually have when we're finally able to kill the boss.
I take a look at the top players and know full well that I'll never reach that but it doesn't stop me from trying my best and always aim to improve.

That's just how I play. (:

[Vaer]

Kind of neutral about the whole thing, but I think they just didn't have anything to put as a reward for this fight that wouldn't encroach on the next patch since we are on week 8/month 2 of this one already. I don't care about glam so it's mostly just a bonus fight and I think quite a few people are treating it the same way.

I feel like they didn't give this EX the usual EX treatment as it doesn't even have a new song and has quite a bit of asset reuse but I'll give them a semi-pass since they usually don't try to put 2 EX in the same major patch. It's a decent fight but outside of glam/alt or returner gearing (it allows you to bypass normal raid loot locks if you don't want to use crafted) the rewards are pretty lackluster. So it's pretty much just for catch-up for anyone who isn't already up to date before they remove or reduce the locks in a month or two anyway.

The difficulty of the fight isn't so high where you won't be able to faceroll it down the line and just brute force it with numbers and raises so eventually everyone will be able to get the stuff if they don't end up adding an alternative method of getting it later.

[Sesera]

What do you understand about 'Hardcore'?
First week > 4 nights of 4 hours raid time, first 2 bosses down.
Second week > 4 nights of 4 hours raid time, 3 bosses down and prog on Shiva.
Third week > 4 nights of 4 hours raid time, up to second phase Shiva.
Fourth week> 3 nights of 4 hours and Shiva down.
(there was 1 Sunday we went for 6 hours, I think that was in the third week but I don't fully recall when it was)
This is not hardcore.
Besides, I work full time, go the the gym and have other real life responsibilities So I won't even have the time to do much more.:

4 hours for 4 days for 3 weeks is clearly not casual.

[Hyperia]

What do you understand about 'Hardcore'?
First week > 4 nights of 4 hours raid time, first 2 bosses down.
Second week > 4 nights of 4 hours raid time, 3 bosses down and prog on Shiva.
Third week > 4 nights of 4 hours raid time, up to second phase Shiva.
Fourth week> 3 nights of 4 hours and Shiva down.
(there was 1 Sunday we went for 6 hours, I think that was in the third week but I don't fully recall when it was)
This is not hardcore.

This is the very definition of hardcore! Anything more than this falls into world first / server first / no game no life.


Ok Devs... been thinking about this for a bit. Since Shadow Bringers is actually Crafting Bringers, how about meeting us half way. Create an augmentation kit that takes the original ShB AF gear and turns it into ShB AF gear that's dyable, same stats, nothing else.

[Liam_Harper]

Extremes are for everyone. For some reason, recently people seem to think anything harder than normal mode is for hardcore raiders only...


Not sure where this is all coming from. Back in 2.0, more people did ex fights and raids. Now suddenly if it's any kind of difficult it's too much.

For some reason the definition of "casual" has gone from "does not invest as much time in the game and likes a relaxed schedule" to "only plays faceroll easy, must not use a proper rotation, must have all rewards first try".

I mean, the EX is fine in terms of difficulty, but people aren't treating it like progression content. A few weeks progression should be perfectly normal for a non-story raid boss in an MMO, heck this is content that's meant to last us several months, but nowadays people are at day 1-2 after spending just two hours in a group and immediately deciding it's unfair and way too hardcore.

It's a definite side effect of having too much handed to us on a plate. We expect it, even demand it now. Anything that isn't handed on a plate feels jarring because we aren't used to it, it doesn't feel right, Enix is meant to just give us things and stick to their pattern.
They've done irreparable damage that has locked them into burning a ton of dev resources on throwaway 1 hour content, then endure a list of threads on how cheap and empty the expansion feels. It's unfortunate.

[Renato]

I think it's a terrible idea...I've been waiting for dyeable gear since the gear itself was revealed. I don't do Savage or Extreme trials mainly because I feel the effort needed learn the fights, put up with others and time investment just aren't worth it to me. I understand that for some, the fun part is actually creating strategies for the fight but at the same time, constant wipes while progressing isn't really my idea of fun. All that time spent for a weapon that will be outdated next patch or gear that can be dyed.

With that said, I tried it because I really do want that armor for my DRK. Waited over 20 minutes for a PUG group before I just decided to create a Party Finder group. Found a learning party, played for about 2 hours only to progress getting the bosses health to about half. I ended up just calling it quits...just not worth it to me.

Like most people have already mentioned, the gear is ilv485 armor. Crafting AND Tome gear are much easier to obtain. Even with the 5 slots, there is no reason why AF gear should be locked behind an EX trial when all it's going to be used for is glam purposes for the most part. (For me at least.) I really hope SE adds an alternative at some point.

[Fhaerron]

*snip*
I'm also not exactly in perfect health, so I can't just say "today I'm just going to practice xyz". I need to be prepared for that too. So even if all conditions are met, and I actually feel like doing such content today, it's physically still very exhausting for me.

Don't be so hard on yourself. Various people need more time for certain things, things that are hard for me will also kill me several times before I start to get the hang of it.
And just take a break, you really don't have to explain yourself if you're tired or something is wrong take a break and do it again whenever you feel up for it.

Well, I haven't even tried Ramuh yet, and skipped the last tier completely because the graphic effects of E1S made me nauseous.*snip*

For the graphic effects, have you tried adjusting the combat effect display settings? I don't recall the exact name it's listed in under the options, I had to adjust and lower certain effects too like that of the party effects because I was unable to see certain things otherwise.
Also maybe a colour filter and/or adjusting settings on your monitor itself? I recently bought a new gaming monitor and outside the standard blue light filter there's several presets on it and also a 'night' mode to reduce overall brightness and make the colours more warm and it actually helped to reduce the strain on my eyes, especially late in the evenings my eyes don't tire out as fast. It might be wort a shot if you haven't done so already.

*snip* Another thing for me is about communicating with others. I'm not the best at social interaction, so that's another reason why I rather do casual content now.

Ok, I'll be fair and say that I totally not thought about that in my post earlier. Though on the other hand this is still an MMO, I can't really blame SE to put stuff behind a group activity.
As an example: I would be annoyed that in order to finish FFXV I would need to group up (comrades the online group play thing for XV) since well I bought that because it's a single player game. XIV while having a lot of story and solo content is still an MMO.

If you do not wish to communicate it might be harder to clear certain group activities, even more so if you want to go in blind and see everything.

I can't really remove the communicate part but if you'd like I can help you, we're on the same DC I see, so if you feel like you want and can do it and you would like help don't hesitate.

[Fhaerron]

This is the very definition of hardcore! Anything more than this falls into world first / server first / no game no life.


Ok Devs... been thinking about this for a bit. Since Shadow Bringers is actually Crafting Bringers, how about meeting us half way. Create an augmentation kit that takes the original ShB AF gear and turns it into ShB AF gear that's dyable, same stats, nothing else.

But how, so you're going to say that all these years I've been playing hardcore?

When not raiding I'm playing average of 3 hours per evening, after work after gym, after making dinner and dishing etc.

What about all those people in limsa all day long (I'm not talking about people parking their character AFK for a full day) but people actually active in game and doing stuff whole day long, they are a lot of those but nobody call those hardcore yet they clock in 4 times the hours I do but I'm the hardcore one?

I'm not really following here.




Also what exactly do you mean with 'no game no life'? If you were to imply that I have no life without this game I would take offence in that.