Shadowbringers starting to feel like a budget expansion

[Jamein]

Thats a pretty huge jump there pal. That was absolutely not my intention when I wrote the reply. The producer/director himself has said on more than one occasion that he encourages players to take breaks. Imagine this. You take a break for 3 months. VOILA! You come back to more content!

Stop putting him on such a high pedastal, we literally pay for this game and are allowed to critique and state what we dislike and if we are disgruntled, I had to endure people crying about steps of faith being too hard, or their robot being a queen so pretty sure this is fine to talk about without people saying oh well just go away for a few months. No how about we improve the game.

I have never understood these forums, literally so many responses people give are 'well yoshi said this' so what? He is the game director I get that but the whole point of this is if enough people dislike something, as a game director he should respond, if we say absolutely nothing, then the chance of anything changing will always be zero..

Same thing goes for politics or bad work practices.

[Gula]

Same thing goes for politics or bad work practices.

Here we go again.

[ForteNightshade]

Stop putting him on such a high pedastal, we literally pay for this game and are allowed to critique and state what we dislike and if we are disgruntled, I had to endure people crying about steps of faith being too hard, or their robot being a queen so pretty sure this is fine to talk about without people saying oh well just go away for a few months. No how about we improve the game.

I have never understood these forums, literally so many responses people give are 'well yoshi said this' so what? He is the game director I get that but the whole point of this is if enough people dislike something, as a game director he should respond, if we say absolutely nothing, then the chance of anything changing will always be zero..

Same thing goes for politics or bad work practices.

I'd also like to point out the whole "you can take a break" argument would hold a little more weight if things like housing weren't tied to your activity. Content has also been conveniently staggered in between monthly sub periods. So while Yoshida may encourage the whole taking a break aspect, SE doesn't want you unsubbing. That break is essentially "Stop playing... but still pay us."

[Reap00]

Stop putting him on such a high pedastal, we literally pay for this game and are allowed to critique and state what we dislike and if we are disgruntled, I had to endure people crying about steps of faith being too hard, or their robot being a queen so pretty sure this is fine to talk about without people saying oh well just go away for a few months. No how about we improve the game.

I have never understood these forums, literally so many responses people give are 'well yoshi said this' so what? He is the game director I get that but the whole point of this is if enough people dislike something, as a game director he should respond, if we say absolutely nothing, then the chance of anything changing will always be zero..

Same thing goes for politics or bad work practices.

You need to take a breath and calm down. I didn't put the man on a pedestal. I merely stated that is the way the game is directed. Comparing an expansion with 2 major patches to one with 5 isn't a sensible comparison.

[Arillyn]

I could be wrong, but I think many people are upset with the lower amount of battle content. But this patch had a lot of new crafting and gathering content, and there are many people who never touch it so I can see where those people would be upset. I personally like both, so I'm pretty happy. I have tons to do and it's variety for me.

As others have mentioned too, they are reworking ARR quests. I can only imagine how much in resources that is taking to do, especially since we don't know exactly how they are reworking it. Pretty sure Yoshi-P also said in previous live letters that they are working on other new content for this expansion. Ocean fishing was one, reworked diadem was another, but it sounded like there was other coming too. And we don't know what they are going to release for the rest of relic.

Honestly they are in a damned if they do, damned if they don't situation. So many people complain that they want new things to do. "Be creative SE, do something new, so tired of the same ole, same ole" and then when they do that, if it's not the type of content those people like to do they complain "no, not THAT kind of content! where are all my dungeons???" I know this is a bit of a generalization, but I think my point stands.

Not all content is going to satisfy everyone. I happen to be one of those who like variety so I pretty much always have things to do. I know not everyone is like that. Some people only like very specific things, but SE is never going to satisfy everyone. They just can't. If you only like crafting and gathering at some point you are going to get bored. If you only like pvp - same thing. If you only like savage and ultimates, again, you will get bored.

Ultimately, you can offer feedback (or in some instances complain to complain), but SE is going to make the game they want to make. If there isn't the type of content you want to do this patch, play less and play some other games. That isn't meant in some snarky way either. I genuinely mean that. I really enjoy this game overall, but there have been times where I have felt a bit burned out or whatever and I've played a bit less and played other games instead. If you (general you) only play this game then yes, you will probably get burned out and not have as much fun.

[LaylaTsarra]

I could be wrong, but I think many people are upset with the lower amount of battle content. But this patch had a lot of new crafting and gathering content, and there are many people who never touch it so I can see where those people would be upset. I personally like both, so I'm pretty happy. I have tons to do and it's variety for me.

A good number of people in my FC and friends circle are working on the crafting and gathering relics and they certainly seem to involve a lot more time and effort than the battle content. I may get around to doing the gather relics given crafting although I do it it's not really something I'm that good at.

The extreme trial is new as well and basically it appears to me it's to satisfy those who wanted more challenge to relic related content. Dunno if I'll personally try the AF gear given it's pretty much just being able to dye the equipment. I have tons of Anemos upgraded dyeable gear that I rarely us and recently added most of it to my glamour dresser to free up inventory. It's not like the Eureka based gear with Eureka only stats for progressing in content like BA. And that +2 gear sure did matter when it came to running that content. I have an alt on Balmung who just got her Whm Hydatos relic and I hope to do BA again with a friend.

[Rolder50]

I could be wrong, but I think many people are upset with the lower amount of battle content. But this patch had a lot of new crafting and gathering content, and there are many people who never touch it so I can see where those people would be upset. I personally like both, so I'm pretty happy. I have tons to do and it's variety for me.

I'm in the camp that does both battle content and craft content. Problem with this patch is the craft content has absolutely zero staying power. I made one of the tools in about an hour or so, realized they aren't worth the time, and just dropped it. Besides, as I've said elsewhere in this thread, that "content" is 1) Grind yellow scrips for the thousandth time 2) Hit craft macro 50 times. Yawn.

[Arillyn]

I'm in the camp that does both battle content and craft content. Problem with this patch is the craft content has absolutely zero staying power. I made one of the tools in about an hour or so, realized they aren't worth the time, and just dropped it. Besides, as I've said elsewhere in this thread, that "content" is 1) Grind yellow scrips for the thousandth time 2) Hit craft macro 50 times. Yawn.

I get what you are saying. The tools aren't worth it for stats - they aren't better than melded facet as they have no cp. I may or may not do them all (I will do one as I did start it). I haven't decided yet. I also don't macro craft but that's just me. The thing I did like was the expert crafts (not 5.25 I know). I would like more like that. By that same token though - are the relic battle weapons worth it? To me it doesn't seem so either, they aren't the best out there. But a lot of people love to do them. Again, different strokes for different folks.

[Halivel]

By that same token though - are the relic battle weapons worth it? To me it doesn't seem so either, they aren't the best out there. But a lot of people love to do them. Again, different strokes for different folks.

They tend to be on par with top weapon in last patch of the expantion. Sort of "easy, but time consuming BiS", depending on its combination of stats ofc. Also glamour material. DoH/DoL can be the same I guess, but we'll see.

[Arillyn]

They tend to be on par with top weapon in last patch of the expantion. Sort of "easy, but time consuming BiS", depending on its combination of stats ofc. Also glamour material. DoH/DoL can be the same I guess, but we'll see.

Which is nice for options. I see the skysteel crafting and gathering tools the same way. It's an option for people, and I think it's good to have various options. Who knows? Maybe I'll actually finish a battle relic for once!