Why is Astrologian so misunderstood, even sometimes by other healers?

[KDSilver]

This is actually not true. When an AST is in your party, it covers the healing so well the WHM has no need to push out Medica IIs. Using Eden 8 savage as an example, for the entire first phase of Shiva, when I have an AST in the party, her attacks that usually leaves everyone at low HP are healed up instantly with Star, opposition and Horoscope. The most I need to do is maybe put Asylum down to heal up the little HP that wasn't topped.

It's not fair to say that a WHM with a low heal % when paired with an AST is lazy. There's simply no need because AST healing is busted.

I must agree indeed. Ast healing toolkit cover so much that the least I could expect from a WHM if I'm paired with it (in a good healing scenario of course) is him using Asylum and it's lily actions (and some tetra or benison).
More would be overheal abundance

What's also great with WHM is, you know they'll land one 400 pot heal every 45s anyway with assize. So Sometimes little missing HP are covered by that.

[Kummies]

This is actually not true. When an AST is in your party, it covers the healing so well the WHM has no need to push out Medica IIs. Using Eden 8 savage as an example, for the entire first phase of Shiva, when I have an AST in the party, her attacks that usually leaves everyone at low HP are healed up instantly with Star, opposition and Horoscope. The most I need to do is maybe put Asylum down to heal up the little HP that wasn't topped.

It's not fair to say that a WHM with a low heal % when paired with an AST is lazy. There's simply no need because AST healing is busted.

100% this. WHM/AST combo in E8s is crazy easy. I would be as bold to say WHM doesn't need to do any GCD healing for the first phase of the fight simply because AST healing potential is crazy. You have CO/CU/Horoscope and ES up for every big mechanic in the first phase of the fight along with ED to spot heal tanks from Shiva's autos. The only GCD the WHM could offer is regen on the MT but its not 100% needed.

[Bobsmiaw]

D.AST is too strong with access to 3 party wide regen (even WHM and SCH only have 2 regen).
I think dev need to rework some of our tools.
Maybe something like this:

All Calestial skill give effect oposite from your sect (CI and CO).
D.AST will have party shield and N.AST will have party regen.
I prefer to have a frequent but weaker opposite sect effect than stronger one with longer CD.

Neutral Sect can be a really neutral one.
Remove sect effect (regen + shield) from aspected spell.
Increase/multiply the potency of Aspected spell.

Its more on distributing the power between D.AST and N.AST.

[AdamFyi]

Its more on distributing the power between D.AST and N.AST.

No thanks. Noct Opposition is the closest AST can get to matching SCH’s Deployment Tactics. Take that away and theres very little reason to bring a job that’s a vastly inferior version of SCH (especially since Seraph exists), because Noct Helios would be the only source of an AoE shield. Similarly, Diurnal Opposition is there to supplement the raw healing potency that WHM’s Assize could have brought, but not as powerful. Neutral Sect is also the exact same between both sects, so there’s no imbalance there. The ability would become almost useless if it gave straight potency but disabled your regens and shields.

[Rasikko]

I'd say more and more tanks now are getting over the misconception that ASTs can't handle big pulls. It used to be that they'd only do single pulls lol. Once you understand just how powerful the regens are, you can do anything.

[Rilifane]

I'd say more and more tanks now are getting over the misconception that ASTs can't handle big pulls. It used to be that they'd only do single pulls lol. Once you understand just how powerful the regens are, you can do anything.

Yeah I remember leveling AST through ShB and every tank would make baby pulls and I'd write everytime that they can go big, I can handle it. Some were happy to oblige but most answered something along the lines of "not with ast sry". But when I went in with WHM/ SCH they were all like "pull everything up to boss yolo" without even asking.

[Seraphor]

Yeah I remember leveling AST through ShB and every tank would make baby pulls and I'd write everytime that they can go big, I can handle it. Some were happy to oblige but most answered something along the lines of "not with ast sry". But when I went in with WHM/ SCH they were all like "pull everything up to boss yolo" without even asking.

I levelled AST right the way through ShB before 5.01 and it was perfectly fine, big pulls and all.
Everyone complains that healing is too easy now, but it seems they can't handle it when it gets difficult.

[Rilifane]

I levelled AST right the way through ShB before 5.01 and it was perfectly fine, big pulls and all.
Everyone complains that healing is too easy now, but it seems they can't handle it when it gets difficult.

It's not coming from the healers, though. They didn't yell "Everything is so difficult, please make it super easy for me!" and now complain that it's too easy.
You're quite mistaken if you honestly think that the same (much smaller) crowd that yelled for things to be easier is the same as the (much larger) crownd who quit healing because it became too repetetive.

[Saefinn]

It's not coming from the healers, though. They didn't yell "Everything is so difficult, please make it super easy for me!" and now complain that it's too easy.
You're quite mistaken if you honestly think that the same (much smaller) crowd that yelled for things to be easier is the same as the (much larger) crownd who quit healing because it became too repetetive.

I don’t think I’ve heard anybody who plays, especially main, healers say that healing is too difficult. Normally it’s people who play other roles, I have found some who historically found it a scary thing or something they are less confident to learn. In this regard maybe healing is more approachable now.

But two things could have provided this solution without simplifying anything.
- More tools/methods to learn healing from a beginner level and ease them in. IMO there are still easy ways to learn, maybe more attention drawn to them, possibly a “training log” for people learning new jobs to help them practice content and point people in the direction of dungeons that make good practice as well as some tips and advice to go with, this could be attached to hall of the novice. It wouldn’t just be healers.
- a new healer job designed to be easier and more accessible from the low end with a basic DPS rotation, could be like how WHM is designed in 5.0.

I’ve also found other healer complaints often came from outside the role.
“Healers screw up due to DPS focus” our DPS is dumbed down further
“Healer keeps forgetting cleric stance is up” removed it from the game, instead of finding a way to keep the concept whilst making it easier for healers not to forget and no risk/reward mechanic to replace it (it was clunky, but you can improve instead of remove)
“I want the balance” (though some AST are caught in this argument too) let’s make every card a variation of the balance instead of improving on the existing system.

[Side-Eye]

I levelled AST right the way through ShB before 5.01 and it was perfectly fine, big pulls and all.
Everyone complains that healing is too easy now, but it seems they can't handle it when it gets difficult.

I'll admit quite honestly that I had trouble keeping up with wall-to-wall heals leveling up in 5.0 when doing roulette groups. Perhaps it would've been a different story with more beefy tanks (there were definitely some who were apparently doing levels without worrying about gear throughout their 70s).

The hits AST took to heal potencies at the start were just ridiculous. After reading countless posts and hearing dozens of stories from other AST players, as well as seeing the job numbers plummet for the first month after ShB released, I don't think it was my imagination.