Some views on DPS balance that everyone cares about

[Vendalwind]

because whether there's a smn or not, healers won't change how they heal. Another reason why smn regen is useless is because weak regens don't go well with how aoe damage happens in this game, which is why they changed medica 2 and aspected helios in ShB.

Thats not actually necessarily true in high end 99th percentile+ statics at all. In fact that kinda optimization is exactly what 99+ up are gonna be looking at if they have a SMN in their group so their healers can eek out just a bit more. And if we are to stay on subject most people here have been claiming 99th as the proper balancing point (which I disagree with, both for reasons of RNG and as a point subject of what portion of the player base balancing should be done with in mind.). And without a doubt as these groups learn phoenix timing as an optimization they may see a boost (and consequently less overhealing from the SMN since healers expect it). Regardless tho It's still no where near the utility point as Mantra is or even dancer heal probably.

NaiXixi's line really describes it: "Raise is not used in some elite teams, and very effective in teams that make occasional mistakes. Raise is useless in some raids ，and very useful in other some raids."

We accept balance around raise for very obvious reasons, but raise is useless in 99th percentile runs anyways as a death is unacceptable. Likewise Phoenix healing is a tool, and a strong one, but only can see use as an optimization tool amongst the best of the best. Still outside of the best of the best it may help some statics without them really being aware of it, (as the healers feel out how much healing needs to be done in specific moments they will notice when they need less)

A good example of this is actually adds in e7. Ill bet a phoenix comes out at least some point during that phase, and there is a lot of healing that has to be done. I would absolutely bet Phoenix alleviates some of the need.

[Lastelli]

Thats not actually necessarily true in high end 99th percentile+ statics at all.

It's not like the data isn't there. You just need to look at it. You can even check videos of the top speedkillers, and you'll find that it's exactly as I say. To make a difference, EF it should be much stronger. Very low potency regen and lack of flexibility makes it an unreliable healing tool, therefore it's not even taken into account by healers when planning their cd usage. EF is useless in 99th percentile runs and especially so in less optimized runs.

A good example of this is actually adds in e7. Ill bet a phoenix comes out at least some point during that phase, and there is a lot of healing that has to be done. I would absolutely bet Phoenix alleviates some of the need.

And you would splendidly loose that bet, because the third phoenix is summoned at 4:40 at the earliest in that fight if the smn doesn't delay it for the boss, when healing isn't needed anymore.