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    Nemekh Kinryuu
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    Odin
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    Summoner Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Ramura_Sono View Post
    The issue is Everlasting Flight and Res are still utility that Summoner seemingly isn't paying for. If they're truly so ineffectual that SMN shouldn't be taxed for them then just cut them from summoner entirely. Then no one will have any issue with summoner being so close to BLM.
    What? If you think we aren't paying for Everlasting Flight let me introduce you to all the Firebird Trance summon methods we have listed to dance around the fact that it's causing Phoenix to never react to an immediate Fountain of Fire. Not to mention that EF is a happenstance benefit where we do not adjust its place for the healing benefit, if our Trances misalign so that FBT isn't after raid wides then it ends up as majority overheal. Healers can incorporate it into their end methods that may at best save a small number of GCDs, but it's not something that should be a punishment to SMN (as it technically already is mechanically). Raise is the only valid point that has been rehashed repeatedly. Please don't misassign costs without even having familiarity with the job.

    Quote Originally Posted by RylaBee View Post
    Wrong. BLM has 2 teleport abilities and Manaward to live past some mistakes.

    SMN is the true glass cannon of the entire game, you have no jump in/out abilities and no shields or heals.
    Pugging prog a lot, I can tell you, how it is almost exclusively me to end on the floor when healers couldnt top-off party before AoE for any reason.
    Healer will ou-shit heal or shield themeselves, RDM will vercure, BLM will manaward and non-cloth classes have more health and second wind.

    SMN has.. physics.
    This isn't fully true anymore. We have Earthen Armor (a more frequent, more costly Manaward!) which if you're progging in an environment that isn't safe you either prog with titan out, or you hold an EA1, swap to titan and use the shield as necessary, then swap back.

    What is true is that we're the only caster without emergency movement measures such as AM/BTL/CAC/Displacement (which all have their own contextual constraints) meaning we do have to be especially mindful for our positioning before, during and after mechanics and it can be argued that our measures for movement sustain with instant GCDs helps offset that, but then, when we were a hardcast GCD hungry fiend back in HW it was very much still the case.
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    Last edited by Nemekh; 03-24-2020 at 10:22 AM.

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