Issues with Machinist design

[Vendalwind]

Then we might as well move it into magical ranged category and release properly made machine themed job.
I know that in lore they use aether to create bullets, but in the end NPCs shoot these bullets, and it would be nice to do the same, not flip around while magically summon objects with our gun. At this point it's a magical rod, not a gun. This is why some people want Gunner as next physical ranged job, since Machinist currently doesn't fill that niche.

I feel you personally. There are a number of classes that have struggled with identity fantasy, but it is hard to make everyone happy. I would love a full gunner/engineer class that was all tech.

This discrepency is common. Thus you have the people asking for a thief class, cause rogue->ninja strayed entirely from that and most of our new skills past 30 have been magic based. Its also an issue with bloodbath being weaker for us cause it doesnt work with magic attacks but wrong thread for that discussion.

Then theres the summoners who for a time felt too much like poison mages.

And the bards that would like some actual music magic instead of being snipers.

And the rdm who feel slighted by the exceptionally small amount of time they actively spend fencing

Its unfortunately an ongoing problem, but tbf square enix cant make a class for every single players ideal fantasy.

[Gula]

I feel you personally. There are a number of classes that have struggled with identity fantasy, but it is hard to make everyone happy. I would love a full gunner/engineer class that was all tech.

This discrepency is common. Thus you have the people asking for a thief class, cause rogue->ninja strayed entirely from that and most of our new skills past 30 have been magic based. Its also an issue with bloodbath being weaker for us cause it doesnt work with magic attacks but wrong thread for that discussion.

Then theres the summoners who for a time felt too much like poison mages.

And the bards that would like some actual music magic instead of being snipers.

And the rdm who feel slighted by the exceptionally small amount of time they actively spend fencing

Its unfortunately an ongoing problem, but tbf square enix cant make a class for every single players ideal fantasy.

There is a quote from Minfilia that basically amounts to "can't please everyone" and the whole crux of the Sultana's struggle with helping the poor without pissing off the rich. There will always be something to upset someone else and trying to find a satisfactory medium is the best they can do. And while I may not agree with everything the devs do, I know thousands of other people do.

[Cetek14]

I feel you personally. There are a number of classes that have struggled with identity fantasy, but it is hard to make everyone happy. I would love a full gunner/engineer class that was all tech.

This discrepency is common. Thus you have the people asking for a thief class, cause rogue->ninja strayed entirely from that and most of our new skills past 30 have been magic based. Its also an issue with bloodbath being weaker for us cause it doesnt work with magic attacks but wrong thread for that discussion.

Then theres the summoners who for a time felt too much like poison mages.

And the bards that would like some actual music magic instead of being snipers.

And the rdm who feel slighted by the exceptionally small amount of time they actively spend fencing

Its unfortunately an ongoing problem, but tbf square enix cant make a class for every single players ideal fantasy.

Thats true, but MCH is peak of bad design. Its simply not related to ishgardian Machinists at all. And devs kinda pretend they do. We even have title "Shot heard across worlds" even though at lvl 80 there is not a single action where we shoot our gun (the closest one would be Gauss Round, but its still not how real Machinists usually use their gun).
4.x was a disaster gameplaywise, but at least it was more lorewise accurate than now.
If devs have no idea what to do, i think connecting good parts of each iteration could lead us to something good.