How do we feel about tank damage right now?

[Kabooa]

Even then, it's not simply a case of tanks being mere meat shields and that's it.

Warhammer especially, and particularly WoW's initial vengeance scaling, are examples of bad design. Warhammer literally had obsolete class mirrors that skewed PVP so badly in its early days and some classes were just blatantly inferior at all aspects of their role other than really niche build set ups. Isn't it great being a witch elf, the melee rogue equivalent, except on the other faction you have your Witch Hunter counterpart who does all the same stuff, but the finishers can be done from ranged?

Speaking personally as someone who played the most overpowered class during Pandaria's early days, Prot Paladin, being able to deal the most damage, mitigate the most damage, and heal the most damage as a singular class is the apex of bad design. Sure it's great being able to drag people over the finish line with you, but ultimately it was with an unfair advantage amounting to 20-25% more "man power" in a 10 man raid. Imagine if you could just bring two more players into current 8 mans without them scaling up.

FF14 at it's worst state, or rather, a debatable worst state, as that tends to be based on what you play and when, has never been that outlandish before. Objective Obsolesce wasn't to the point of Warhammer's mirror scenario, nor was the 'Meta' at any point equivalent to having two extra players.

[Kalise]

Warhammer literally had obsolete class mirrors that skewed PVP so badly in its early days and some classes were just blatantly inferior at all aspects of their role other than really niche build set ups. Isn't it great being a witch elf, the melee rogue equivalent, except on the other faction you have your Witch Hunter counterpart who does all the same stuff, but the finishers can be done from ranged?

Not all Witch Hunter finishers could be done from ranged. Also, Witch Elves did more damage than Witch Hunters.

Either way, both were rendered obsolete because outside of the level 20-29 bracket where their stealth openers dealt insane damage, they were just blatantly inferior to BW/Sorc and Slayer/Choppa especially since their stealth openers damage didn't scale at all so were literally worthless in level 30+ content.

I was a Witch Hunter main.

As far as obsolete class mirrors, they weren't as bad as you make out. Most mirrors had fair representation on either side. All the healers for example were viable, WP/DoK, Archmage/Shaman, Runepriest/Zealot. Most of the DPS were viable.

Really the only major notes was how trash Marauder was compared to White Lion, simply due to a single skill, Fetch. Which was OP as it let a WL literally teleport any target from inside a keep to right in front of them. While Marauder... Kept getting all its arms nerfed for no reason...

Other mirrors that were lacking was tanks, but that was mostly due to how busted the 3 actually strong tanks were. KotBS/Chosen had so much utility with their auras and Black Orc was basically unkillable. So no-one really played Blackguard, Ironbreaker or Swordmaster.

I have not played Classic WoW... but I would not be surprised to find some guilds there focusing on DPS for their tanks and healers...

Oh, it's not "Some" guilds, it's everyone. Since everyone now uses predetermined optimal specs and BiS gear lists.

So your Tanks are Warriors with Arms spec not Protection. Healers have builds where they're like 60% talented into DPS trees too.

The wealth of knowledge people have access to these days has dramatically shifted the way that game functions. For example, the best class for PvP and DPS in PvE is Frost Mage, which at the time was considered unviable for everything until WotLK when they got a ton of buffs.