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    Ninja Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Nemekh View Post
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    I'm still confused about some questions and don't know how to speak.
    I can explain why I said that SMN has the output capability of BLM. I have tried to play three casters. SMN gives me the feeling that the resource CD is used as soon as it is completed. In short, I use whatever resources are available. Although I didn't play well, my firepower looked good. I think this profession is very simple and laid back, so it is very popular in raid.
    But playing BLM and RDM is not the same. I admit that I am not suitable for playing BLM. This is too difficult for me. I need to spend a lot of energy to play this profession in order to get high output. And can arrange skills to deal with the mechanism of continuous running. So I think BLM is worth it with high firepower.
    RDM, I also need to spend a lot of energy to play this profession. For example, I need to consider the mechanism of raid, suitable for melee skills, and arrange the position of jumping back according to the size of the platform, and waste a lot of firepower in the continuous running mechanism. . I need to spend a lot of energy in exchange for not too high firepower, I think it is not worth it, and because of this difficulty, it is not very popular in raid.
    And, on the death list, RDM is terrible.
    BLM high investment high return, SMN low investment high return, RDM high investment medium return
    This shows that the minimum firepower of SMN is very high, and the maximum firepower is also good. The minimum firepower of BLM and RDM is very low, but the maximum firepower of BLM is high, and the maximum firepower of RDM is close to SMN (100% perfect condition).
    ***But everyone knows that no one can be perfect, and most ordinary players are between 60-90% at most. So I checked the logs of E8s and E6S and found that SMN has higher firepower than other professions.
    Very small difference between E5s and BLM
    High firepower in E7s (maybe because of multi-target problem)
    Perhaps this is also a problem, BLM and SAM need to be in their specific circumstances in order to reach their maximum firepower.
    However, SMN can not be limited by most of the copies, and maintains his due firepower.
    And in the raid, the continuous resurrection advantage of RDM is difficult to show. Often if many teammates die, they have basically died. The resurrection of SMN is almost the same as the resurrection advantage of RDM in raid.
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    Nemekh Kinryuu
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    Quote Originally Posted by NaiXizi View Post
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    The thing is these are anecdotal based on what you think and your experiences which is fair and all but what they are remains opinions. Different people find other jobs more or less taxing. Some BLM mains I know find SMN overwhelming and too much to think about just as some RDM mains do too, meanwhile I know plenty of omnicasters that love them all in different ways with a leaning to one over the others.

    I'm not sure I agree that the job has a low investment for a high return given the dispersion of results for every fight. If it were low the interquartile and general range for SMN would be much tighter than it is. There is a strong floor from the post-change pet damage and the nature of the DoTs, but those are not the majority of total damage - there remains everything else to resolve in order to reach those heights. Similarly, the xivanalysis module requirements for SMN is pretty extensive vs some of the other jobs which reflects its complexities when achieving the higher returns. There's a lot to think about with many smaller points of failure that cumulatively add up instead of it being mostly contained to fewer facets. BLM has the most eggs in the gcd basket, RDM more in the middle, but SMN has eggs spread in many smaller baskets.

    Minimum firepower is incredibly vague and for BLM could range from scathe spam or mono ice mage, to unenchanted melee combos on RDM. The baseline needs to be defined instead of being handwavey. Even more reasonable baselines for all the jobs without a thorough understanding of the nuances is respectable for all 3.

    It's still early days for this raid tier which is why I suggest seeing how things shake up by the end. We generally find parses hold a lot more weight by week8+. As it is the people who are mostly or actually BiS in groups are week1-3 clearers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nemekh View Post
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    I understand, maybe the statistics of RDPS and ADPS on the website are not enough to indicate the strength of a profession. However, players will use these data to reflect the relative strength of certain occupations. On this statistical website, SMN is a particularly strong occupation. Mass players will use this statistical table to discriminate against occupations. But I retain my point of view, because I do feel that SMN is really strong, just like the ones I described before. After a while, wait for my version to reach 5.2, and then see if my point is correct.
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