How do we feel about tank damage right now?

[ReiMakoto]

They likely didnt want to mess with potencies, as you said because the potency numbers would end up really low overall which from first perception of a new player would make them think its weak. By hiding it behind formulas and strangely worded traits new players go "sweet an 800 potency attack on a 30s cooldown, thats awesome". Which all makes sense honestly because it would look kinda lame for the classes strongest skills to be like 400 to 500 potency. I just dont see why its a problem for SE that tanks do more damage when theyve designed their game in such a way that the only thing to do is optimise damage

[Kabooa]

I just dont see why its a problem for SE that tanks do more damage when theyve designed their game in such a way that the only thing to do is optimise damage

Same reason you don't want DPS to be able to handle tank duties.

[ReiMakoto]

Same reason you don't want DPS to be able to handle tank duties.

The difference is DPS don't have the tools to accomodate tank duties whereas tanks have no choice but to use dps like tools for reduced reward.

[millktea]

I put it on the players. SE wouldn't have randomly just shifted what is ultimately perception without the near endless presence of "Buh my accessories" in the forums.

The tank stance part, I'd say is 50/50. SE not designing stances well and players saying 'just get rid of it'.

No, you do not blame players for SE's stupid decisions. The players had every right to complain. +2 str growth on accessories? Wtf? Not letting us use str accessories?
The reason players did this is due to our strength not scaling correctly. The damage was compromised. This is 100% SE's fault. They have been screwing around with tanks damage since Heavensward. Next time, look into the game's history before blaming people who aren't at fault. Look at patch notes.

[millktea]

Same reason you don't want DPS to be able to handle tank duties.

Stop saying things that make you appear less that you know what you're talking about.... every job does dps in this game. Dps are the only players who have essentially no added responsibility.

Also, DPS do have mitigation tools like tanks and healers, Btw.

[Kabooa]

Stop saying things that make you appear less that you know what you're talking about.... every job dps' in this game. Dps are the only players who have essentially no added responsibility.

Also, DPS do have mitigation tools as well. Btw.

"No added responsibility."

That's all you need to see here folks.

[millktea]

"No added responsibility."

That's all you need to see here folks.

Yeah, you don't do anything as a dps. And yet, often, the dps aren't doing the damage they should be. It's bad enough often being the top percentile player as a warrior, by far, meaning I'm contributing more of the overall damage than I should be. DPS do not have any exclusive mechanics, while tanks and healers do. This is what I'm talking about.

DPS had more mitigation tools in SB than ShB, giving the dps even less responsibility. For the most part, dps is their only thing. Tanks and healers also dps, but have defensive and mitigation tools. Every job in this game is a damage dealer.

So you trying to be clever is kind of hilarious as I'm not wrong. DPS don't do anything. No added responsibility. And yet, it is often tank and healer dps that gives the clear.

[Kabooa]

Yeah, you don't do anything as a dps. And yet, often, the dps aren't doing the damage they should be. It's bad enough often being the top percentile player as a warrior, by far

I know the boss's junk is in your face all the time, so it's excusable to not see what's going on beyond it.

[Shurrikhan]

Yeah, you don't do anything as a dps. And yet, often, the dps aren't doing the damage they should be. It's bad enough often being the top percentile player as a warrior...

You realize those percentiles are only compared to other of the same job, right?

DPS had more mitigation tools in SB than ShB, giving the dps even less responsibility.

So when DPS had more mitigation tools, that's less responsibility, but when tanks have mitigation tools that gives them so much responsibility that DPS, despite having far more actions and precision therein they are accountable for, have effectively no responsibility?

Every job in this game is a damage dealer.

All are equal. But tanks are more "equal" than others?

So you trying to be clever is kind of hilarious as I'm not wrong. DPS don't do anything.

Want to try a boss with enrage with 4 tanks and 4 healers at the same relative performance as the DPS they're replacing and make that claim again?

[Lyth]

Same reason you don't want DPS to be able to handle tank duties.

What are "tank duties" in a game with auto-positioning bosses and a minimal number of tankbusters, which generally all get dealt with by invulns?