How do we feel about tank damage right now?

[Lucy_Pyre]

It's the magick and mend traits, it's what buffs their potencies so much as to why a 900 potency attack is SO different on both roles. Tank mastery also lowers our damage through its multipliers, it's retarded but w/e....

The scaling is BROKEN in the WORST way for tanks but it's just the way that it is.

No, the reason a 900 potency attack from, say, a melee DPS and a tank hit for different amounts is because Strength scaling for tanks is only around 2/3 what it is for melee DPS (or any other DPS and their respective mainstat). This is why a 1,200 potency Confiteor from Paladin will hit for significantly less damage than a 1,200 potency Midare Setsugekka from a Samurai despite both abilities having identical potencies.

[aodhan_ofinnegain]

No, the reason a 900 potency attack from, say, a melee DPS and a tank hit for different amounts is because Strength scaling for tanks is only around 2/3 what it is for melee DPS (or any other DPS and their respective mainstat). This is why a 1,200 potency Confiteor from Paladin will hit for significantly less damage than a 1,200 potency Midare Setsugekka from a Samurai despite both abilities having identical potencies.

And that scaling is due to the tank mastery trait. Tank Mastery affects both Vit and STR of tanks, while providing a constant 20% DR. Because of this trait, tanks have a slightly different damage formula to everyone else. I seen it some where recently in a forum post comparing the different formulae.

[Bravely_Default]

basically they forced all tanks to permanently have that tank stance modifier on from the past expacs... because having a high damage mode with lower defense is apparently toxic to gameplay....

[Ramura_Sono]

basically they forced all tanks to permanently have that tank stance modifier on from the past expacs... because having a high damage mode with lower defense is apparently toxic to gameplay....

Considering how it caused many tanks to act in all levels of content, not really surprising it's gone.

[ReiMakoto]

And that scaling is due to the tank mastery trait. Tank Mastery affects both Vit and STR of tanks, while providing a constant 20% DR. Because of this trait, tanks have a slightly different damage formula to everyone else. I seen it some where recently in a forum post comparing the different formulae.

That scaling also means tanks are gonna be stealth nerfed proportionally to the other classes as each expansion goes on, as their gear is earning strength and weapon damage at the same rate as the other classes, but their damage formula is compensating them less for that increase than the other classes

[MerlinCross]

Correct me if I’m wrong but wasn’t the tank trait and lack of stances herald as a good thing for our damage?

No more stance dancing we do full damage all the time now was how it was pitched.

[DRKoftheAzure]

Correct me if I’m wrong but wasn’t the tank trait and lack of stances herald as a good thing for our damage?

No more stance dancing we do full damage all the time now was how it was pitched.

Tank Mastery is good in theory, but in bad in execution, because of the guaranteed 20% damage reduction it has...

And I would rather just keep that 20% damage reduction to tank stances and adding different types of eHP values to keep each of the tank stances different while also keeping enmity combos and adjusting them to where the DPS loss is like 10 potency(looking at you DRK) and keeping DPS stance while making sure that tank stance isn't a huge DPS loss(tank DPS ping-ponging all over the place). Though that would require the devs to add more positional requirements to the melee DPS...

[Kabooa]

That scaling also means tanks are gonna be stealth nerfed proportionally to the other classes as each expansion goes on, as their gear is earning strength and weapon damage at the same rate as the other classes, but their damage formula is compensating them less for that increase than the other classes

Which is effectively no different than tanks having less strength gain on their gear under prior formulas.

[Falar]

I see nothing in the Tank trait tooltip indicating a damage reduction. What are you guys talking about?

[Kalise]

I see nothing in the Tank trait tooltip indicating a damage reduction. What are you guys talking about?

"Reduces damage taken by 20%. Furthermore, grants a bonus to maximum HP is granted based on your vitality attribute, and a bonus to damage dealt based on your strength attribute."

What is being referred to is that, it's a case of the description being technically correct. Specifically the part about gaining a "Bonus to damage dealt based on your strength attribute"

Essentially, Tanks DO get bonus damage based on their strength. Just, at a rate that is 20% less than what other jobs get from their primary attribute (Maybe healers are in a similar boat? It's hard to say given that they have low potency skills anyway even if they scaled at a normal rate, unlike Tanks whom have 600/800/920 potency skills)