SE, please buff Dragoon ...

[Polluxx]

Job already have the worst options for melee utility, now it is, also, the worst option for melee damage.

It should be fighting with Monk for the 2nd place in melee DPS, now it fights for the 3rd place with Ninja, who has the best options for melee raid utility.

An increase in potency/rDPS should do the work.

Also, Summoner is still way ahead than it should be.

[ForteNightshade]

What?

Seriously, what? Dragoon is still a powerhouse and by far the most played Melee. In fact, until TEA, Dragoon was the most played job by a country landslide. It has all but dominated Shadowbringers. It should be more or less balanced with Ninja given a lot of Ninja's utilities were stripped away. With all that said, Dragoon's damage has suffered somewhat this tier. That, however, is due to it having zero range options in a tier that seems to despise Melee. Piercing Talon is such a worthless ability, it's better to do absolutely nothing. If anything, that needs to be fixed; preferably through both a damage boost and it no longer breaking your combo.

Simply put, the only reason Ninja has pulled ahead is due to Mudras being on the GCD now. So they lose less disengaging. If you straight up buff Dragoon's overall damage, they'd be far too strong in any fight without downtime.

[Ramura_Sono]

Goon? Get buffs?
Absolutely no.
Summoner? Still too strong?
Absolutely yes.

[Karshan]

Job already have the worst options for melee utility, now it is, also, the worst option for melee damage.

It should be fighting with Monk for the 2nd place in melee DPS, now it fights for the 3rd place with Ninja, who has the best options for melee raid utility.

An increase in potency/rDPS should do the work.

Also, Summoner is still way ahead than it should be.

The worst option for melee utility ? Sorry what ? Litany makes godly openers, even moreso that crit power creep will start again with this tier (with it being best op stat in the final one).

Good DPS also comes from peaking really high in openers and then smoothing and lengthening the drop the most you can. Starting slow is manageable but it doesn't do wonders in the end, and DRG helps a lot avoiding that.

As for personal dmg : this is a tier where melee finally have to struggle for uptime in 5.x so ofc it will feel lackluster to you, especially for the reason Forte explained on NIN desengaging mitigation

[Curisu]

Please nerf dragoons endlessly.
I don't want them in my e8s groups, because they can not stand still and have to use a jump in P1 tower phase and are the main reason that I can't get a group to practice the Add phase and further.

[Lastelli]

Summoner? Still too strong?
Absolutely yes.

That might be the case, but what if it wasn't?
BLM would then be absolutely unbalanced, it would have no competition at all. At least now BLM is not a forced choice.

[Renkei]

Dragoons all risk with no reward i just want them to remove dragon-sight personally, i wouldn't mind a little buff but people won't agree with that because they are popular but what people don't understand is the reason Why they are popular.... because FFXI they started out as a great job that became nerfed into the ground and overshadowed by ninja and never to be touched really ever again..... so ya.

IN THE FUTURE I'd like to see them consolidate dragon-sight and give dragoon an attack back or something extra right now everything just feels so wonky and clunky, and they still to this day haven't fixed dragoons running animation. I was a huge fan of power surge as well, but the job hasn't felt the same since its removal, with the introduction of dragon sight which i've been hoping to be removed for 2 expansions now, they claim they removed abilities like Heavy Thrust and Phlebotomize to prevent button bloat, but then we have have things like Piercing Talon and blood of the dragoon which has been buffed so much to the point where it doesn't really add anything to the job besides flavor.

I'm already waiting for the next expansion because dragoon didn't really change all to much since storm-blood, I feel like they need an OGCD attack, extremely minor changes, i find it a lot less complicated once again then the previous expansion to play, and with the shift of the GCD forward, makes for some strange stuff indeed.


I think the only change they should make is to change Life-Surge to a flat damage bonus, instead of auto-critical, as this design decision limits the gear choices dragoon can take, which isn't an issue other jobs have.


I wouldn't call Dragoon overpowered though just because it's very popular , It just has zero options for disengaging the boss outside using your Aoe Rotation, with the exception of Piercing talon which is by far the worst range attack in the game, also since other melee jobs have on-demand utility gap-closing abilities, dragoons are baked into it's kit and it's rotation, not to mention it's hard punishment on positional attacks, and it's lack of sharing left side gear with any other classes....

[KDSilver]

I'm going to either call that troll or ignorant.

[Pepsi_Plunge]

"Paper is overpowered and should be nerfed, Scissor is fine" _The Rock

[Renkei]

I've been playing DRG since 2.0, it's always been high risk little reward, it's not that it isn't fun though, they just keep making it clunkier, and won't address the elephant in the room : Dragon-Sight.